In the dark, with headlights on.  That is what I need to do.
Grandstream couldn’t do it, Hikvision couldn’t do it, the UBNT can if they pull 
up by my lighted building sometimes.  

From: Brett A Mansfield 
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 8:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras

I can read a license plate on any camera depending on the location and 
configuration. 

To say the UBNT product is not a professional product is both naive and simply 
an opinion. Just because you cannot use a third party product with it doesn't 
mean it's not a professional product. And I'll bet UBNT has a camera in the 
works with tilt, pan and zoom. 

UBNT was designed to be simple to install and quick to deploy. It was also 
designed to just work. Their cameras are by far the best cameras and NVR I've 
been able to find on the market. Nothing else I've found is as seamless. I 
don't know why you would want a 3rd party camera with it to be honest. Their 
cameras are really good. 

I'm not saying that UBNT is the best in every environment, but they are for 
most in my opinion. 

Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield

On Oct 31, 2015, at 1:16 AM, Sorin Esanu <so...@evox.ro> wrote:


  It's something wrong with your setup, because I can read plates in the dark 
without any issue. 
  We are not comparing apples with apples here. Hikvision is professional 
product (like many others on the market). Ubnt is not. Can you install a 3rd 
party PTZ/Speeddome camera on Ubnt system if needed? I am talking here about 
_integrating_ it with the Ubnt software.



  On 10/30/2015 11:47 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

    It didn’t do the seamless NVR like UBNT.  For a single stand alone it was 
OK but it still cannot see a truck license plate in the dark.  

    From: TJ Trout 
    Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 3:44 PM
    To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras

    Ubnt stuff is unreliable. What didn't you like about the Hikvision? 
Probably just a setting, stuff is flawless 

    On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

      You should take a look at the new UBNT stuff.  I also tried Hikvision 
recently and I like the UBNT stuff better.  

      From: TJ Trout 
      Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 12:42 PM
      To: af@afmug.com 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras

      I've been doing professional cctv contracting for 10 years and I've never 
been more impressed with a product's price/performance than Hikvision

      On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

        Or I can blame them for wasting my time and taking my money when they 
clearly had nothing worth selling. 




        On 10/30/2015 2:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

          Like if you want to compare helicopters to potatoes.

          Josh Luthman
          Office: 937-552-2340
          Direct: 937-552-2343
          1100 Wayne St
          Suite 1337
          Troy, OH 45373

          On Oct 30, 2015 1:59 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

            Sure I can. 


            On 10/30/2015 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

              You can't blame a vendor for a crappy product if they're replaced 
it with a product that isn't crappy.




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              Mike Hammett
              Intelligent Computing Solutions
              http://www.ics-il.com



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              From: "Sorin Esanu" mailto:so...@evox.ro 

              To: af@afmug.com
              Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 12:48:57 PM
              Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras

              Please compare the specs and see what they can do and cannot do.

              As far as how it compares with Ubnt, I've tested as some point 
the unifi 
              video cameras and they were pretty bad as far as quality, lacking 
some 
              basic features (IR filter). It seemed to me like a beta product 
that 
              should have never be release to the public. As I understand they 
refined 
              it, but still, Hikvision is big, with a lot of experience in 
making just 
              video surveillance products. Even so, our Hikvision fleet serves 
us well 
              and I would not go with Ubnt.

              There is also the issue with interoperability: Hikvision cameras 
are 
              supported on countless surveillance software and hardware (NVRs); 
              Hikvision NVRs are supporting countless other cameras (other 
              manufacturers) and even ONVIF and RTSP. That gives you the 
possibility 
              to install a 3rd party product, in case you need it. I don't know 
if you 
              can say that about Ubnt. Is that important? Well... if you have 
1-2 
              cameras, probably no. When you go to larger projects, absolutely. 
Access 
              control system that interconnect with video surveillance, 
professional 
              analytics software, ONVIF support...

              I like Ubnt as far as radios, but that's where it stops for me.

              On 10/30/2015 6:33 PM, Tushar Patel wrote:
              > I am new to this so I have question, when you say following:
              >
              >> + real surveillance camera vs things like Granstream or Ubnt 
3Mpx
              > What does it mean to us?
              >
              > To me any camera with good quality where you can see faces 
and/or license plate and record it or send via email etc.
              >
              > So what does the mentioned camera does more which grandstream 
and/or ubnt does not?
              >
              > Thanks,
              >
              > Tushar
              >
              >
              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sorin Esanu
              > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:30 AM
              > To: af@afmug.com
              > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras
              >
              > Hikvision DS-2CD2632F-I(S) or DS-2CD2732F-I(S)
              > + cheap
              > + real surveillance camera vs things like Granstream or Ubnt 
3Mpx
              > + varifocal on board microSD for recording (you do not need 
NVR!) very
              > + good video quality IR included, pretty efective for distances 
up to
              > + 10m (their marketing
              > says 30m. BS!)
              > + app for mobile, tablet, pc. I can be used for live view or 
search
              > recordings on SD camera
              > + POE & 12VDC
              >
              > - DWDR, but I guess you cannot ask for true WDR in a 200$ camera
              >
              > It's basically one of the cheapest true surveillance cameras 
you can get for ~$200. You can get them even cheaper than that, if you get 
quantity.
              > They are also selling very nice NVRs, with decent prices, that 
can work flawless with their cameras.
              >
              >
              >
              > On 10/30/2015 3:05 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
              >> I am constructing a new building and I need a security camera 
system
              >> which has DVR functionality and be remotely reachable, 
preferably via
              >> mobile. I have had the cheap QSee Sams system and although 
functional
              >> it is a pretty big disappointment from most perspectives.
              >> I know a lot of people use and install these.
              >>
              >> Are there any suggestions for systems?










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