Getting the customers to get a IPv6 address, and/or have their routers do a v6 PD is the issue.
[DennisBurgessSignature] www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net<mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 9:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations I'm curious why my traffic isn't' reflecting this. I'll look into routes and make sure it all looks right. On another note; has anyone been following this whole Google - Comcast IPv6 kerfluffle? -Ty -Ty On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: Yeah, I think AWS is the last thing that people really care about *not* on IPv6. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________________________________ From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 9:11:38 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations OH REALLY?!? WOW! *whistles" SO NOW I KNOW!!! :O .... *grin* I think one of the last remaining large holdouts is AWS as a whole. (There are parts ipv6 enabled, but it's still a mess.) Other than that, as Service Providers we're probably going to end up having at least a rudimentary CGNAT deployment for a decade if not more, especially for those of us with large/old industrial/banking/healthcare customers... ... For stuff that should have been retired 20 years ago but is CRITICAL to their business, and won't run ipv6. (For a perfect example of old tech still in use, Google "Compaq laptop McLaren" :P ) On May 3, 2016 8:45 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: Traffic going IPv6 will bypass NAT end-to-end. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________________________________ From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 8:41:28 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations To be technical, it's not going to remove NAT on your network for the foreseeable future unless when you add IPV6 that you also give everybody a public IPV4 as well :P Maybe a decade from now we'll be able to ditch NAT :( Yes, there are several v6/v4 and v4/v6 translation mechanisms, but those are really just different types of Network Address Translation, regardless of if they are officially called that or not. (Not that you don't know this Mike, I just don't want the nice people following along with the list to get the wrong information about the ipv6 transition.) On May 3, 2016 8:35 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: Having NAT problems? Having problems tracking down DMCA or subpoena targets? It's impacting your functionality. Moving to IPv6 will also increase performance due to the removal of NAT. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________________________________ From: "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 8:18:33 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations Seth, I think it is pick your battles when you can. Some of use run at 100% capacity in execution, and we have to carve out additional time to do whatever the "other" things are. And there are a LOT of those "other" things for growing companies. We all know it's important. But, if it is so easy, then when it's time to hit it head on as it will being impacting our functionality, we can "easily" take that time, at that time :) -----Original Message----- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 12:55 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations On 5/2/16 11:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Everyone *SHOULD* be caring about IPv6. > Why people running ISPs refuse to or are resistant to learn about things directly related to the business they claim to be in baffles me. ~Seth
