Something satisfying about being in the “zone” when coding. You have your long list of features and bugs. Crossing them off all day long. The hours fly by and you have a nice sense of satisfaction of building something. Day turns to night and you make yourself stop when you can no longer focus on the screen.
From: Simon Westlake Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 12:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Not anymore, the sad truth is I spend about 18 hours a day coding right now. Still got a lot to do! On 10/6/2016 1:13 PM, Steve wrote: Oh admit it.. you spend half your day on Reddit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Westlake" mailto:simon@sonar.software To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 1:36:47 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day on mailing lists to maintain some illusion of human contact. I found myself ranting at the bus stop about Android vs iPhones the other day, so thought I'd better start talking to some humans rather than my cat.. On 10/6/2016 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their support staff about config. I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are you doing chatting on this mailing list anyway? Get back to work man! ------ Original Message ------ From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software mailto:simon@sonar.software> To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that, some solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton of tools. They'll send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's pretty easy to see if it works for you. Let me know if you want to give one a shot and I can set it up for you. On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more about people who's monthly usage exceeds 600GB. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software mailto:simon@sonar.software> To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like linking together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then tying them to subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem with torrenters is that some portion of them are smart enough to use a VPN, which leaves you with little recourse. But you're probably not getting any DMCA complaints about them anyway.. On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: That's good to know. Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of the mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work (anymore?) and the ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. I don't know if it's a $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep getting asked about. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software mailto:simon@sonar.software> To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying list on most of the licensing, and they won't support the hardware if it fails. They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so as well (it's still supported for a while afterwards, but that's the typical cycle,) so you generally want to be buying a newer chassis. Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a bigger chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with Barracuda or Procera or both. Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support contract/license for it? ------ Original Message ------ From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one company, sell it to another company and then they get a new license. Basically, if I bought Gino's unit, I would have to pay him and he would pay Barracuda. Rory -----Original Message----- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Is that because you didn’t have a service contract with them? Just curious … or is it that their license is non transferable same as some other companies (ie. Cisco) On Oct 6, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: And they won't let you transfer it to another company either. Rory -----Original Message----- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 8:03 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs No we tried to reactivate a license on a unit we decommissioned and they charged us pretty much the full price as if it were brand new. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rory Conawaymailto:rory@triadwireless.netTo:af"; mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 11:00:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Unfortunately they won’t let me transfer license or we would be talking. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:53 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs I have a base unit for sale , offf list for more details... On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Rory Conaway mailto:rory@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: That's not bad. Barracuda costs more than that for a Gig. Rory -----Original Message----- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:24 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs Arm, Leg and throw in some fingers.. Expect $15k minimum to start. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Moffett" mailto:dmmoffett@gmail.commailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:16:36 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Procera costs What's the lower end Procera appliance cost? Are there recurring costs? -- Simon Westlake Skype: Simon_Sonar Email:simon@sonar.software Phone: (702) 447-1247 --------------------------- Sonar Software Inc The next generation of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software/ -- Simon Westlake Skype: Simon_Sonar Email:simon@sonar.software Phone: (702) 447-1247 --------------------------- Sonar Software Inc The next generation of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software/ -- Simon Westlake Skype: Simon_Sonar Email:simon@sonar.software Phone: (702) 447-1247 --------------------------- Sonar Software Inc The next generation of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software -- Simon Westlake Skype: Simon_Sonar Email: simon@sonar.software Phone: (702) 447-1247 --------------------------- Sonar Software Inc The next generation of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software
