No, that's me :( On Oct 6, 2016 1:13 PM, "Steve" <li...@wavedirect.org> wrote:
> Oh admit it.. you spend half your day on Reddit. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> > To: "af" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 1:36:47 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > > I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day on mailing lists to maintain > some illusion of human contact. I found myself ranting at the bus stop > about Android vs iPhones the other day, so thought I'd better start > talking to some humans rather than my cat.. > > On 10/6/2016 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > LOL. I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their support staff about > > config. > > I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar. What are you doing chatting > > on this mailing list anyway? Get back to work man! > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software > > <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> > > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > > Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > >> You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that, some > >> solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton of tools. > >> They'll send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's pretty > >> easy to see if it works for you. Let me know if you want to give one > >> a shot and I can set it up for you. > >> > >> On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > >>> Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints. It's more about people > >>> who's monthly usage exceeds 600GB. > >>> ------ Original Message ------ > >>> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software > >>> <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> > >>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > >>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > >>>> To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like > >>>> linking together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then > >>>> tying them to subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem > >>>> with torrenters is that some portion of them are smart enough to > >>>> use a VPN, which leaves you with little recourse. But you're > >>>> probably not getting any DMCA complaints about them anyway.. > >>>> > >>>> On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > >>>>> That's good to know. > >>>>> Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic? > >>>>> I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of > >>>>> the mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work > >>>>> (anymore?) and the ones that do work seem too broad for comfort. > >>>>> I don't know if it's a $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep > >>>>> getting asked about. > >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ > >>>>> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software > >>>>> <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> > >>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > >>>>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > >>>>>> Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying > >>>>>> list on most of the licensing, and they won't support the > >>>>>> hardware if it fails. They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so > >>>>>> as well (it's still supported for a while afterwards, but that's > >>>>>> the typical cycle,) so you generally want to be buying a newer > >>>>>> chassis. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a > >>>>>> bigger chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > >>>>>>> I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with > >>>>>>> Barracuda or Procera or both. > >>>>>>> Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support > >>>>>>> contract/license for it? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ > >>>>>>> From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net > >>>>>>> To: mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com > >>>>>>> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one > >>>>>>>> company, sell it to another company and then they get a new > >>>>>>>> license. Basically, if I bought Gino's unit, I would have to > >>>>>>>> pay him and he would pay Barracuda. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Rory > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart > >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:41 AM > >>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Is that because you didn’t have a service contract with them? > >>>>>>>> Just curious … or is it that their license is non transferable > >>>>>>>> same as some other companies (ie. Cisco) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Oct 6, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Rory Conaway > >>>>>>>>> mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> And they won't let you transfer it to another company either. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Rory > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 8:03 AM > >>>>>>>>> To: af > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> No we tried to reactivate a license on a unit we > >>>>>>>>> decommissioned and they charged us pretty much the full price > >>>>>>>>> as if it were brand new. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>> From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net > >>>>>>>>> To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 11:00:27 AM > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately they won’t let me transfer license or we would > >>>>>>>>> be talking. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Rory > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino > >>>>>>>>> Villarini > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:53 AM > >>>>>>>>> To: Animal Farm > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I have a base unit for sale , offf list for more details... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Rory Conaway > >>>>>>>>> <rory@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> That's not bad. Barracuda costs more than that for a Gig. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Rory > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>> From: Af > >>>>>>>>> [mailto:af-bounces@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On > >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Steve > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:24 AM > >>>>>>>>> To: af > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Arm, Leg and throw in some fingers.. Expect $15k minimum > >>>>>>>>> to start. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>> From: "Adam Moffett" > >>>>>>>>> <dmmoffett@gmail.commailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>> To: "af" <af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com> > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:16:36 AM > >>>>>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Procera costs > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> What's the lower end Procera appliance cost? Are there > >>>>>>>>> recurring costs? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Simon Westlake > >>>>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar > >>>>>> Email:simon@sonar.software > >>>>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 > >>>>>> --------------------------- > >>>>>> Sonar Software Inc > >>>>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS > >>>>>> https://sonar.software/ > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Simon Westlake > >>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar > >>>> Email:simon@sonar.software > >>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 > >>>> --------------------------- > >>>> Sonar Software Inc > >>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS > >>>> https://sonar.software/ > >> > >> -- > >> Simon Westlake > >> Skype: Simon_Sonar > >> Email:simon@sonar.software > >> Phone: (702) 447-1247 > >> --------------------------- > >> Sonar Software Inc > >> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS > >> https://sonar.software > > -- > Simon Westlake > Skype: Simon_Sonar > Email: simon@sonar.software > Phone: (702) 447-1247 > --------------------------- > Sonar Software Inc > The next generation of ISP billing and OSS > https://sonar.software >
