Yah. They haven't proved it yet, but I believe that artificial sweeteners can contribute to insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes.

Personally, I can't stand the taste of artificial sweeteners. They leave some kind of metallic taste in my mouth.


bp
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On 1/22/2017 5:07 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Yes there are MANY that spike an insulin response.

Check this list, but be sure to crosscheck...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/5lrp3l/sweeteners_and_keto_with_all_the_new_people_for/&ved=0ahUKEwi2vpraidfRAhWL24MKHfS2A6sQFggaMAA&usg=AFQjCNEE4QelKK0Miw_BHvtvBsrNWpijOg&sig2=gV5SId36yA_lTNaTq2Lv4g



On Jan 22, 2017 6:47 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is
    indicating that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut
    biome. That and there is an indication that artificial sweeteners
    also have the opposite of the intended effect (they contribute to
    weight gain).


    bp
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    On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
    I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
    *From:* Josh Reynolds
    *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
    *To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
    There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut
    biome, sugar addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and
    mental health.
    On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

        Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
        Not so good at solving arguments.
        *From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
        *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
        *To:* af@afmug.com
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

        I completely agree with this.

        You can Google anything you like that will agree with what
        you want to happen.

        For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant
        based diet with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

        *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike
        Hammett
        *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
        *To:* af@afmug.com
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

        You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

        I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

        Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in
        appropriate quantities.



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        *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
        *To: *af@afmug.com
        *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
        *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

        Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.

        *From:*Mike Hammett

        *Sent:*Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

        *To:*af@afmug.com

        *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

        Not having breakfast is part of your problem.



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        *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
        *To: *af@afmug.com
        *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
        *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

        While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a
        significant effect on your health, pretty sure almost all of
        us eat too much.  And I don’t think you can generalize too
        much because your genetics affect how you metabolize your
        food. Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and
        veggies.  My wife is Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I
        don’t ever want meat.

        I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too
        much but the numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have
        breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave meal and then one
        smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of
        snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up,
        the blood sugar is up.

        Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad
        straight through since the holidays. Just started the final
        season yesterday.

        *From:*Bill Prince

        *Sent:*Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM

        *To:*af@afmug.com

        *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

        You ought to read "/The Big Fat Surprise/" by Nina Teicholz
        (https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425
        <https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425>).


        Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys
        started it all when he published a study in the 1950s called
        "The seven country study". In it he asserted that the
        so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health.
        Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry
        picked from a study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a
        multi-decade crusade to sell his theory, and a bunch of other
        questionable dietary studies.

        The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and
        higher in fat) diet to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of
        today.

        Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful
        Atkins diet that turns the Mediterranean diet on its head.

        bp

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        On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

            The more medical research I do, the more history I read,
            the more I'm rapidly coming to the belief that the
            increase in processed sugar in the 1940s and beyond in
            American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our
            current social, mental health, medical, and political
            issues. Not that it's the root cause (way too many
            factors), but it's definitely a huge contributing factor.

            Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?



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