to get to the degree of autonomy you reference I think it will take that
long both due to limitations within our scopes and the backlash. Look at
embracing technology in the classroom, it takes new generation to move
forward, people still fight over whether a calculator should be allowed in.
Its not until 2nd or 3rd adult generations get in positions of authority
that changes are fully embraced.
>> In the next 20 years (maybe less), say goodbye to:
>> Most coal miners (alternative energy increases)
A. Alternat energy platforms havent even become "sustainable" the carbon
footprint on implementation is too great (Currently) But given time it will
get there
B. JOBS JOBS JOBS. we are still in current generations reliant on coal
mining. it will take 2nd or 3rd generations living and growing up in a time
where there wasnt a dependence, that alone is at least 50 years out.
all the targets depend on global proliferation of the technology as well.
If it werent available, or embraced, we would go to war constantly.
Not being a negative nancy here, just a realist. dreamers like you are part
of what forces progress and efficiency.
>> Most OTR truckers (will need them for the last few miles, most likely)
A. The tech to replace this is not there yet. What do you see replacing it.
Trump has already stated huge infrastructure improvements including new
rail line. I think if the tech gets there for flight propulsion in and
affordable and sustainable format that would be the greatest solution, much
less maintenance oon air than steel track.
B. JOBS JOBS JOBS... se above
>> Most taxi drivers
A. I can see in 20 years this becoming dwindling (I assime you include all
single modal low occupancy transport, including uber, etc) but the
autonomous vehicle is just recently more than a glint in its daddies eye.
B. JOBS JOBS JOBS.... see above
>> Most cattle ranchers (there will still be some of course)
A. the aesthetic component just isnt moving fast, steak being perfect, its
a miracle meat and wholey dependent on how its prepared, lab cultures I
just can see getting that level in this next 30-50 years, though I think
this will be what replaces foodstamps first.
B. JOBS JOBS JOBS.... see above
>> Quite a few farmers (less need for crops)
A. One word... POT. I could see farmers production moved into a factory
environment, fairly aoutomated, hydroponics is already there, sunlight is
the key component to factory based farming in a huge scale. I CAN see this
happening in 20 years
B. See B above
>> Most factory jobs (except for programmers, robiticists, skilled
>> machinists, engineers, etc)
A. They have been saying this same thing since Henry Ford. There will be a
decline, as there always is, when robotics entered the factory it was said
they were done. No way we get that advanced in 20 years, but the labor need
pr produced unit for factories will continue the steady decline its always
seen.
B... do I need to say it
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 9:31 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
> Look at the past 50 years from a technology, socio-economic, medical,
> and communications standpoint. If you still believe it's going to take
> 100 years after considering that, I'd be surprised. It's possible
> though.
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 9:24 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I wish 20 years were realistic to meet those goal, more like a century.
> too
> > many "activists". If you can match the taste, texture, and juice of a
> ribeye
> > with all the same cooking qualities, I dont care if its soylent green.
> > The 20 year list, especially in the factory jobs is not based on any real
> > number other than an extreme faith in technology i would guess. If we
> ever
> > did get to the point you describe, a socialist government would be
> feasible,
> > potentially even sustainable, and it would be met with extreme violence.
> >
> > In my perfect world we figure out the sticky guts that hold everything
> > together so everything can be recycles. Want a steak, look up the recipe
> for
> > the number of electrons, protons, neutrons, whatever ons you need, dump
> them
> > in the black box with some of the goo glue. Take your dump right into a
> > recycler that separates everything back into base components. Full
> nuclear
> > power to keep the grinders running since we would be able to separate
> > everything back into the base units we can clean up the radiation.
> >
> > Fallout is a great series, Ive played it from the beginning, f*%k virtual
> > reality, in my future we play in real time
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 9:11 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> A lot of the hormone, pesticide, and antibiotics problems will go away
> >> with lab grown meat. It is going to allow flavor and fat replication,
> >> 99% less land use, 80% less emissions, only 30% of the overall energy
> >> requirements (fuel, heat, etc), less pesticide usage (have to feed
> >> those animals), no hormone usage, and the complete removal of
> >> antibiotic usage that are currently causing antibiotic resistant
> >> bacteria. Oh, and it will cost less. One of the current hangups is
> >> what preservative to use to prevent fungal growth.. potassium sorbate
> >> is a genotoxin, but there are other things they are looking in to.
> >>
> >> In the next 20 years (maybe less), say goodbye to:
> >> Most coal miners (alternative energy increases)
> >> Most OTR truckers (will need them for the last few miles, most likely)
> >> Most taxi drivers
> >> Most cattle ranchers (there will still be some of course)
> >> Quite a few farmers (less need for crops)
> >> Most factory jobs (except for programmers, robiticists, skilled
> >> machinists, engineers, etc)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:54 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> >> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > chemtrails man, tis the chemtrails
> >> >
> >> > lifestyles in general have the most impact, we are fatter and lazier
> >> > than
> >> > any generation in history, progressively more lazy as getting killed
> by
> >> > bears and sepsis have become less prevalent. processed sugars are, to
> >> > me,
> >> > the least of our concerns compared to the chemicals and hormones
> >> > ingested in
> >> > everything, even organic. our soil is generally more contaminated
> >> > globally.
> >> > GMO isnt even a thing, people think if you eat a genetically modified
> >> > food,
> >> > it will alter your genes, there are also people who believe the earth
> is
> >> > flat and bacon is bad for you, there is no room for that kind of
> >> > nonsense
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Your body processes in this order: alcohol, carbs (which both break
> >> >> down
> >> >> to sugar), fat resources.
> >> >>
> >> >> Abstain from alcohol and keep carbs very low and your body will
> >> >> naturally
> >> >> start going into ketosis. There are testing strips you can test on a
> >> >> sample
> >> >> of your urine to see if your body is in that "fat burning state" or
> >> >> not.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Jan 22, 2017 7:55 PM, "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> genetics is a bitch...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 1/22/17 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I do have a couple of coke zeros each day. But I skipped all sodas
> >> >>>> for
> >> >>>> a year and nothing changed. The only thing that has ever helped
> was
> >> >>>> a
> >> >>>> <1000 cal diet.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> *From:* Bill Prince
> >> >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
> >> >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
> >> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is
> >> >>>> indicating
> >> >>>> that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. That and
> >> >>>> there
> >> >>>> is an indication that artificial sweeteners also have the opposite
> of
> >> >>>> the intended effect (they contribute to weight gain).
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> bp
> >> >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> >> >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
> >> >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
> >> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome,
> >> >>>>> sugar addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental
> health.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics,
> >> >>>>> configs.
> >> >>>>> Not so good at solving arguments.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> *From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
> >> >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
> >> >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
> >> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I completely agree with this.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you
> >> >>>>> want to happen.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant
> >> >>>>> based
> >> >>>>> diet with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike
> >> >>>>> Hammett
> >> >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
> >> >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
> >> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you
> >> >>>>> want.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in
> appropriate
> >> >>>>> quantities.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> -----
> >> >>>>> Mike Hammett
> >> >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+
> IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.
> com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> >> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.
> linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://
> twitter.com/mdwestix>
> >> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> >> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> >> >>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
> >> >>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
> >> >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Recent studies say otherwise. A myth promulgated by Special
> K.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> *From:*Mike Hammett
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> *Sent:*Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> *To:*af@afmug.com
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Not having breakfast is part of your problem.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> -----
> >> >>>>> Mike Hammett
> >> >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+
> IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.
> com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> >> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.
> linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://
> twitter.com/mdwestix>
> >> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> >> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> >> >>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
> >> >>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
> >> >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a
> >> >>>>> significant
> >> >>>>> effect on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too
> >> >>>>> much.
> >> >>>>> And I don’t think you can generalize too much because your
> >> >>>>> genetics affect how you metabolize your food. Eskimos can
> >> >>>>> survive
> >> >>>>> and thrive without fruit and veggies. My wife is Swedish and
> >> >>>>> wants nothing but meat. I don’t ever want meat.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I wish I could just cut back. It doesn’t seem like I eat too
> >> >>>>> much
> >> >>>>> but the numbers say I do. Most days I don’t have breakfast, I
> >> >>>>> have a 300 cal microwave meal and then one smallish plate of
> >> >>>>> home
> >> >>>>> cooked in the evening. Not lots of snacks. Still the pounds
> >> >>>>> are
> >> >>>>> up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is up.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Perhaps meth is the answer. Have been watching Breaking Bad
> >> >>>>> straight through since the holidays. Just started the final
> >> >>>>> season yesterday.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> *From:*Bill Prince
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> *Sent:*Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> *To:*af@afmug.com
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> You ought to read "/The Big Fat Surprise/" by Nina Teicholz
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> (https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/
> dp/1451624425
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/
> dp/1451624425>).
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started
> >> >>>>> it
> >> >>>>> all when he published a study in the 1950s called "The seven
> >> >>>>> country study". In it he asserted that the so-called
> >> >>>>> "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. Her research
> >> >>>>> contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a
> >> >>>>> study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade
> crusade
> >> >>>>> to sell his theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary
> >> >>>>> studies.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and
> >> >>>>> higher
> >> >>>>> in fat) diet to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins
> >> >>>>> diet that turns the Mediterranean diet on its head.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> bp
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> The more medical research I do, the more history I read,
> the
> >> >>>>> more I'm rapidly coming to the belief that the increase in
> >> >>>>> processed sugar in the 1940s and beyond in American foods
> >> >>>>> has
> >> >>>>> had a hugely negative effect on our current social, mental
> >> >>>>> health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's the
> >> >>>>> root
> >> >>>>> cause (way too many factors), but it's definitely a huge
> >> >>>>> contributing factor.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team
> >> > as
> >> > part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as
> > part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
