If you need any 48V in your application, you are better off using that as your base voltage and converting to 24V as needed. 48V-24V converters are much easier to come by, and the current draw on 48V will be half what it is on 24V (assuming the same power levels).

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/29/2018 1:40 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, the lack of a 48v version of the DR-UPS was one of the problems I ran into too... my fix was to use a 24v to 48v DC converter. Pretty much every site ends up needing both 48v and 24v anyway, so unless you do a complete DC plant for each voltage, you're going to end up needing some kind of a converter one way or the other anyhow, and that way you can do two batteries instead of four. Only problem being I haven't found a nice DIN rail 24v-48v converter (the meanwell one does the job fine, it's just not a proper DIN mount device).

So the way I'm leaning for new sites is to do a nice big Meanwell DIN mount 24v power supply, with a DR-UPS and and a 24v to 48v DC converter, connected to two PacketFlux PDUs (one for 48v and one for 24v). That gives me five remotely controllable power outputs for each voltage that I can use to power whatever routers, switches, PoE injectors, or whatever I need. And there are contacts on those power supplies that can be connected to the Packetflux Base for monitoring purposes.

Might be able to do things a bit more cleanly with a Rackinjector too... I haven't had time to play with that much yet though.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 9:32 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com <mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Yeah - the lack of a 48VDC UPS from Meanwell is annoying.  For
    small-ish sites, we have been running a Meanwell/Traco hybrid
    using the SDR-240-48 and a Traco TSP-BCM48A or BCMU360.

    On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:29 AM, Adam Moffett
    <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        There's a lot to like about that setup. The DR-UPS can do
        40amp on 24v, so your upper limit is almost 1kW.  Just drive
        it with a bigger 24v supply as needed.

        What has held me back from that in the past is the DR-UPS is
        not available in 48v, and the biggest power consumers I have
        are 48V.  I went to Traco to stay 48V.  OTOH your rig is so
        much cheaper than Traco that adding an RSD-300B-48 for another
        $100 is not a bad deal.


        ------ Original Message ------
        From: "David Coudron" <david.coud...@advantenon.com
        <mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>>
        To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com
        <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
        Sent: 1/28/2018 10:39:56 PM
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

        Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what
        Steve is asking for:

        Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source: $84

        Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS:  $37

        Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2:  $131

        24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime
        looking for

        Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch:   $250-350  (This is really
        the only expensive component)

        Heater:   $65

        Fan:  $14

        With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we
        figure we have several hours to get a generator to the site
        if power isn’t coming back.   We run all POE from the
        Netonix, it works really well.   Here are the other things we
        can do with the box:

         1. Monitor temp in the cabinet
         2. Monitor/alert on loss of AC line power through TP DIN
         3. Monitor voltage of the batteries
         4. Monitor voltage to the Netonix
         5. Monitor Current to the Netonix
         6. Monitor Current in/out of the batteries
         7. Auto start the heater below 40 degrees
         8. Auto start the fan above 80 degrees
         9. Power cycle the netonix from the TP DIN
        10. Power cycle any AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix

        We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet. Usually a Hex
        POE (for small sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.

        We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15
        more right now.   While it might be a little more than what
        you were thinking, it gives us a ton of control for pretty
        minimal investment per site.

        Best part is, no coding necessary.  Doing all this with the
        Monitor Web2 settings and/or SNMP.    Let me know if you are
        interested in pictures.   For this second batch we have
        started using Terminal blocks to clean up the wiring, the
        cabinets look a little better, but we went to a smaller poly
        cabinet that makes things a little tight.

        Regards,

        David Coudron

        *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
        <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
        *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:39 PM
        *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

        You can still do DC-DC off it and then hook up netonix.  If I
        had to do it now I'd go with the IDC switch.  When we did our
        design, the idc didn't exist so we just went down to 24V off
        of our A  and B sides and run a redundant powered 24V bus
        which all the netonix switches run on.

        I better buy up another batch of Elteks before all y'all buy
        them all up. These are mostly decommissioned Sprint/Clearwire
        btw.


        On Jan 27, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com
        <mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:

            A 12 port version would be nice.  Looks like the 26 port
            version is $600.

            On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Gino A. Villarini
            <g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

                Used to, now with the IDC model is not needed
                (isolated dc)…

                *From: *Af <af-boun...@afmug.com
                <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Josh
                Baird <joshba...@gmail.com <mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>>
                *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>"
                <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
                *Date: *Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 1:51 PM
                *To: *"af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>"
                <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
                *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

                Which Netonix are you running at - 48V?  Or are you
                using an isolated DC/DC converter in between the -48V
                rectifier and Netonix?

                On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Gino A. Villarini
                <g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

                    Refurb/ used Eltek/Valere –48 Rectifier shelf off
                    Ebay  ~$400 + 1 Netonix IDC Switch $400… all
                    done. You can power 90% of WISP gear

                    *From: *Af <af-boun...@afmug.com
                    <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Steve
                    Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
                    <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
                    *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>"
                    <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
                    *Date: *Friday, January 26, 2018 at 9:49 PM
                    *To: *"af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>"
                    <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
                    *Subject: *[AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

                    Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even
                    more know small wisp budget interested in looking
                    at our gear and power setup and giving realistic
                    advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar
                    components combined with a full time linux guy
                    and a full time coder?

                    Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your
                    heart, but i do have some advisory busget.

                    Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super
                    ghetto runtimes on batteries coupled with having
                    to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting
                    the apcs die..... please, somebody, please.
                    Otherwise i have to go to the facebook groups,
                    and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.




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