decriminalizing maintains the control, keeps people limited to user amounts only, doesnt turn a junkie into a felon whose life is effectively over, but the drug dealers can still be put in prison where they go.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > If you legalize but tax, there still can be room for a competitor's > product that is... Ahem tax free. > > It's a slipper slope, because if you are taxing it, you are also > regulating it. > > It's crazy ... We allow alcohol but ban weed. Alcohol is disasterous! > > You can sell homeopathic snake oil, but if you have a couple of mushrooms > you found under cowshit in a field you can go to prison. > > This is all so stupid. > > ... But hey, D.A.R.E. > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 10:43 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I like pissing off cartels >> >> I always preferred decriminalization to legalization, maintains a >> secondary effective tax to offset the byproduct cost in treatment, etc. >> >> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare of a >>> child, or risking life/limb of another person. >>> >>> Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by coming >>> home and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms or >>> MDA to help overcome emotional trauma, or for religious reasons, who's >>> business is that? >>> >>> Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself or to >>> feel something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let >>> people get clean needles in a controlled setting and give them access to >>> talk to someone. It's had amazing effects in those mentioned contries. >>> >>> Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> theres no shortage of criminals >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and Portugal, >>>>> but how would our for-profit prison system, police and federal law >>>>> enforcement get money? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the brain, >>>>>> the molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical (dopamine >>>>>> i >>>>>> think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its actually that >>>>>> first >>>>>> use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon, people are >>>>>> seeking to replicate that first high but never can because the >>>>>> physiologic >>>>>> change only happens once so its like chasing a dragon >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> That's Fake News. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once, >>>>>>>> permanently >>>>>>>> alters the brain chemistry. So it's not a 'recreational' drug, and >>>>>>>> why >>>>>>>> it's so addictive. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: >>>>>>>> > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me. I >>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>> > those too much. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Chuck McCown wrote: >>>>>>>> >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and they >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> >> dissolved in hot water... >>>>>>>> >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> I was prescribed Xanax once. Made me sleepy. >>>>>>>> >> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s... >>>>>>>> >> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken, >>>>>>>> Henry >>>>>>>> >> Winehards Private Reserve...) >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is horribly >>>>>>>> >> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked. >>>>>>>> >> I guess it is a version of speed. But no direct experience with >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> >> either. Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race. >>>>>>>> >> Coke Zero does that enough for me. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries >>>>>>>> >> (decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws into >>>>>>>> her >>>>>>>> >> vertebrae). >>>>>>>> >> But she didn't get hooked. Claimed it worked really well. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> -----Original Message----- From: Jay Weekley >>>>>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM >>>>>>>> >> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound >>>>>>>> like fun >>>>>>>> >> and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows. Granted, all I >>>>>>>> know about >>>>>>>> >> bath salts are the videos I've come across. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Steve Jones wrote: >>>>>>>> >>> They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of xanax, >>>>>>>> 16 >>>>>>>> >>> doses od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath >>>>>>>> salts. >>>>>>>> >>> other misch controlled substance pills as well as delivery of >>>>>>>> meth >>>>>>>> >>> charges. >>>>>>>> >>> fucking bath salts >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com >>>>>>>> >>> <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned >>>>>>>> that Every >>>>>>>> >>> vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or >>>>>>>> paraphernalia >>>>>>>> >>> in it. >>>>>>>> >>> Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most humble >>>>>>>> become >>>>>>>> >>> demented. >>>>>>>> >>> A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just not >>>>>>>> meant >>>>>>>> >>> to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is >>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>> >>> truth to that. >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>> I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I >>>>>>>> deal with >>>>>>>> >>>> almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law >>>>>>>> >>>> enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them >>>>>>>> tells me >>>>>>>> >>>> that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems they >>>>>>>> put at >>>>>>>> >>>> about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of perverts that >>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>> >>>> probably be castrated upon a verdict. >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown < >>>>>>>> ch...@wbmfg.com >>>>>>>> >>>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> I had a similar situation. Rather my wife did. We >>>>>>>> took the >>>>>>>> >>>> kids in (her sister�s kids). >>>>>>>> >>>> Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc. >>>>>>>> >>>> One of the parents got them back for a while, then the >>>>>>>> other. >>>>>>>> >>>> Those kids still think of my wife as �mom�. They >>>>>>>> are all >>>>>>>> >>>> grown up with grandkids of their own now. >>>>>>>> >>>> One of them is a solid cop in Reno. The other has not >>>>>>>> turned >>>>>>>> >>>> out so well. >>>>>>>> >>>> The world needs standup guys like you. >>>>>>>> >>>> *From:* Steve Jones >>>>>>>> >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM >>>>>>>> >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> >>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents >>>>>>>> >>>> You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. So >>>>>>>> like 7 >>>>>>>> >>>> years ago we took in my old ladys nephews because, well >>>>>>>> >>>> fuckwit parents. FYI the foster care system is aweful. >>>>>>>> We >>>>>>>> >>>> fostered them for a year and half while her brother >>>>>>>> and baby >>>>>>>> >>>> momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 >>>>>>>> month old >>>>>>>> >>>> at the time had a club foot, i had to build a sleeping >>>>>>>> rig >>>>>>>> >>>> with some shoes with the ankles hooked together and >>>>>>>> the toes >>>>>>>> >>>> locked outward with a ruler, i worked his legs in and >>>>>>>> out til >>>>>>>> >>>> his hip popped one night, i thought i broke his hip, >>>>>>>> but it >>>>>>>> >>>> was just something going back. The 4 year old you >>>>>>>> couldbt >>>>>>>> >>>> understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> >>>> never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that was >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> >>>> least bad of the fuckery. This was me, the old lady, >>>>>>>> >>>> a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a tiny 2 bedroom. >>>>>>>> >>>> Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house >>>>>>>> for room, >>>>>>>> >>>> and a week later they gave them back to the mom. The >>>>>>>> old >>>>>>>> >>>> ladies brother never did what he was supposed to. >>>>>>>> >>>> Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step moms) >>>>>>>> >>>> funeral, so whats this trashcan do? Gets arrested for >>>>>>>> selling >>>>>>>> >>>> fucking meth >>>>>>>> >>>> So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we had >>>>>>>> to be >>>>>>>> >>>> late dealing with the child services people. Get all >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> >>>> squared away, get through the funeral and now find out >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> >>>> also get the joy of headlice. >>>>>>>> >>>> Seriously, fucking shit fuck. How do people do this >>>>>>>> shit to >>>>>>>> >>>> kids, theyre not just a thing you have while doing >>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>> >>>> things. >>>>>>>> >>>> Im not lawfully allowed to discuss any of this with >>>>>>>> anyone >>>>>>>> >>>> who is remotely involved, i figure none of you are. >>>>>>>> >>>> But seriously, what the fuck, you get your kids back >>>>>>>> and sell >>>>>>>> >>>> meth. 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