The pendulum swings. I wonder if we get a tiny bit more wise each
cycle...
I remember during the peak of the war on drugs, I had an employee that
was on the ragged edge of three strikes. He had backslid a bit and
was worried about getting nailed during a piss test. I will always
remember one thing he he said to me:
“Fuck Chuck, I could go kill someone and get out of jail faster than
if I fail this piss test”.
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:45 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents
You also avoid some of the issues with questionable quality/potency,
and the related poisioning/overdose deaths.
If one was to redirect all of the funds spent on the war on drugs (law
enforcement, prisons, etc) into mental health, rehabilitation and
education, I think we'd be far better off.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:18 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
wrote:
That's... That's not at all how it works in the models I'm talking
about.
You make it 100% legal, and remove the stigma. You provide safe
places to get supplies and mental health care.
This largely removes the drug market all together (crashes it),
making it not a viable thing to sell (better opportunity elsewhere).
It also has the highest treatment success rate for overcoming hard
drug addiction (mental health care + kratom).
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:13 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
decriminalizing maintains the control, keeps people limited to
user amounts only, doesnt turn a junkie into a felon whose
life is effectively over, but the drug dealers can still be
put in prison where they go.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
If you legalize but tax, there still can be room for a
competitor's product that is... Ahem tax free.
It's a slipper slope, because if you are taxing it, you
are also regulating it.
It's crazy ... We allow alcohol but ban weed. Alcohol is
disasterous!
You can sell homeopathic snake oil, but if you have a
couple of mushrooms you found under cowshit in a field you
can go to prison.
This is all so stupid.
... But hey, D.A.R.E.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 10:43 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
I like pissing off cartels
I always preferred decriminalization to legalization,
maintains a secondary effective tax to offset the
byproduct cost in treatment, etc.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
Decriminalize drugs except in the event of
endangering the welfare of a child, or risking
life/limb of another person.
Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't
hurting anybody by coming home and the end of a
day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms
or MDA to help overcome emotional trauma, or for
religious reasons, who's business is that?
Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to
damage onesself or to feel something or just...
Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let
people get clean needles in a controlled setting
and give them access to talk to someone. It's had
amazing effects in those mentioned contries.
Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
theres no shortage of criminals
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
I wish we would treat drugs here like they
do in Spain and Portugal, but how would
our for-profit prison system, police and
federal law enforcement get money?
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thats heroin that permantly alters the
opoid receptors in the brain, the
molecule is slightly larger than the
normal brain chemical (dopamine i
think) its replacing, so the receptor
is enlarged. Its actually that first
use that is why doing heroin is called
chasing the dragon, people are seeking
to replicate that first high but never
can because the physiologic change
only happens once so its like chasing
a dragon
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh
Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
That's Fake News.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate
Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
I thought I heard somewhere
that any use of Meth, even
once, permanently
alters the brain chemistry.
So it's not a 'recreational'
drug, and why
it's so addictive.
On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay
Weekley wrote:
> Anything that makes me not
want to eat or sleep isn't for
me. I like
> those too much.
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> If I am going to use bath
salts, they are called Epsom
and they are
>> dissolved in hot water...
>> Not really clear what they
mean by bath salts.
>>
>> I was prescribed Xanax
once. Made me sleepy.
>> Pot was not my thing back
in the 70s...
>> (I preferred Olympia,
Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller,
Heineken, Henry
>> Winehards Private Reserve...)
>>
>> Not really sure what meth
does to you but I know it is
horribly
>> addictive and ruins
everyone that gets hooked.
>> I guess it is a version of
speed. But no direct
experience with that
>> either. Not wanting
anything that cause my hear to
race.
>> Coke Zero does that enough
for me.
>>
>> My wife lived on Oxy after
a pair of horrific surgeries
>> (decompression of the
spine, harrington rods, 14 lag
screws into her
>> vertebrae).
>> But she didn't get hooked.
Claimed it worked really well.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
From: Jay Weekley
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17,
2018 12:08 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT:
very OT. Scumbag parents
>>
>> I understand opiods, Xanax
and pot but meth just doesn't
sound like fun
>> and bath salts has to be
the lowest of lows. Granted,
all I know about
>> bath salts are the videos
I've come across.
>>
>> Steve Jones wrote:
>>> They released the report,
they seized appox 70 grams of
xanax, 16
>>> doses od suboxone
(essentially heroin) 11.8
grams of bath salts.
>>> other misch controlled
substance pills as well as
delivery of meth
>>> charges.
>>> fucking bath salts
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at
8:18 AM, Dave
<dmilho...@wletc.com
>>>
<mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>>
wrote:
>>>
>>> I hear the same shit
as lewis and the sheriff
mentioned that Every
>>> vehicle that is pulled
over has some form of drug or
paraphernalia
>>> in it.
>>> Meth is the demon drug
that will cause even the most
humble become
>>> demented.
>>> A peer of my rank in
the army said "That some were
just not meant
>>> to breed!" We laughed
about it but I do believe
there is some
>>> truth to that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/15/2018 05:11
PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>> I think Meth answers
all your "why" questions.
Since I deal with
>>>> almost every sheriff
in and most every drug focused law
>>>> enforcement I hear a
lot of their stories. One of
them tells me
>>>> that 95%+ of crime is
drug related. CPS type
problems they put at
>>>> about 80% with the
remaining 15% made of of
perverts that should
>>>> probably be castrated
upon a verdict.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018
at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown
<ch...@wbmfg.com
>>>>
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had a similar
situation. Rather my wife
did. We took the
>>>> kids in (her
sister�s kids).
>>>> Very similar
situation, neglected, abused,
drugs etc.
>>>> One of the
parents got them back for a
while, then the other.
>>>> Those kids still
think of my wife as �mom�.
They are all
>>>> grown up with
grandkids of their own now.
>>>> One of them is a
solid cop in Reno. The other
has not turned
>>>> out so well.
>>>> The world needs
standup guys like you.
>>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday,
April 14, 2018 11:00 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:*
[AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag
parents
>>>> You folks get my
vent because i cant anywherr
else. So like 7
>>>> years ago we took
in my old ladys nephews
because, well
>>>> fuckwit parents.
FYI the foster care system is
aweful. We
>>>> fostered them for
a year and half while her
brother and baby
>>>> momma sorted
their shit, or so we thought.
The 18 month old
>>>> at the time had a
club foot, i had to build a
sleeping rig
>>>> with some shoes
with the ankles hooked
together and the toes
>>>> locked outward
with a ruler, i worked his
legs in and out til
>>>> his hip popped
one night, i thought i broke
his hip, but it
>>>> was just
something going back. The 4
year old you couldbt
>>>> understand cause
they thought baby talk was
cute so they
>>>> never taught him
to speak. We fixed that, and
that was the
>>>> least bad of the
fuckery. This was me, the old
lady,
>>>> a1,2,4,and 5 year
old with our 2 in a tiny 2
bedroom.
>>>> Finally got these
boys shaped up and bought a
house for room,
>>>> and a week later
they gave them back to the
mom. The old
>>>> ladies brother
never did what he was supposed to.
>>>> Now today was
their grandmas (my old ladies
step moms)
>>>> funeral, so whats
this trashcan do? Gets
arrested for selling
>>>> fucking meth
>>>> So dealing with
all that comes with a funeral,
we had to be
>>>> late dealing with
the child services people. Get
all that
>>>> squared away, get
through the funeral and now
find out we
>>>> also get the joy
of headlice.
>>>> Seriously,
fucking shit fuck. How do
people do this shit to
>>>> kids, theyre not
just a thing you have while
doing other
>>>> things.
>>>> Im not lawfully
allowed to discuss any of this
with anyone
>>>> who is remotely
involved, i figure none of you
are.
>>>> But seriously,
what the fuck, you get your
kids back and sell
>>>> meth. And theyre
already asking if they sign
their righys if
>>>> they can see the
kids still.
>>>> I have very few
skills, and none of rhem
involve the ability
>>>> to not want to
feed these people lead
>>>>
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