You also avoid some of the issues with questionable quality/potency, and the related poisioning/overdose deaths.
If one was to redirect all of the funds spent on the war on drugs (law enforcement, prisons, etc) into mental health, rehabilitation and education, I think we'd be far better off. On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:18 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: > That's... That's not at all how it works in the models I'm talking about. > > You make it 100% legal, and remove the stigma. You provide safe places to > get supplies and mental health care. > > This largely removes the drug market all together (crashes it), making it > not a viable thing to sell (better opportunity elsewhere). > > It also has the highest treatment success rate for overcoming hard drug > addiction (mental health care + kratom). > > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:13 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> decriminalizing maintains the control, keeps people limited to user >> amounts only, doesnt turn a junkie into a felon whose life is effectively >> over, but the drug dealers can still be put in prison where they go. >> >> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> If you legalize but tax, there still can be room for a competitor's >>> product that is... Ahem tax free. >>> >>> It's a slipper slope, because if you are taxing it, you are also >>> regulating it. >>> >>> It's crazy ... We allow alcohol but ban weed. Alcohol is disasterous! >>> >>> You can sell homeopathic snake oil, but if you have a couple of >>> mushrooms you found under cowshit in a field you can go to prison. >>> >>> This is all so stupid. >>> >>> ... But hey, D.A.R.E. >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 10:43 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I like pissing off cartels >>>> >>>> I always preferred decriminalization to legalization, maintains a >>>> secondary effective tax to offset the byproduct cost in treatment, etc. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare of >>>>> a child, or risking life/limb of another person. >>>>> >>>>> Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by coming >>>>> home and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms or >>>>> MDA to help overcome emotional trauma, or for religious reasons, who's >>>>> business is that? >>>>> >>>>> Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself or to >>>>> feel something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let >>>>> people get clean needles in a controlled setting and give them access to >>>>> talk to someone. It's had amazing effects in those mentioned contries. >>>>> >>>>> Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> theres no shortage of criminals >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and Portugal, >>>>>>> but how would our for-profit prison system, police and federal law >>>>>>> enforcement get money? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the >>>>>>>> brain, the molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical >>>>>>>> (dopamine i think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its >>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>> that first use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon, >>>>>>>> people are seeking to replicate that first high but never can because >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> physiologic change only happens once so its like chasing a dragon >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's Fake News. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once, >>>>>>>>>> permanently >>>>>>>>>> alters the brain chemistry. So it's not a 'recreational' drug, >>>>>>>>>> and why >>>>>>>>>> it's so addictive. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me. >>>>>>>>>> I like >>>>>>>>>> > those too much. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Chuck McCown wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and >>>>>>>>>> they are >>>>>>>>>> >> dissolved in hot water... >>>>>>>>>> >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts. >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> I was prescribed Xanax once. Made me sleepy. >>>>>>>>>> >> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s... >>>>>>>>>> >> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, Heineken, >>>>>>>>>> Henry >>>>>>>>>> >> Winehards Private Reserve...) >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is >>>>>>>>>> horribly >>>>>>>>>> >> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked. >>>>>>>>>> >> I guess it is a version of speed. But no direct experience >>>>>>>>>> with that >>>>>>>>>> >> either. Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race. >>>>>>>>>> >> Coke Zero does that enough for me. >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries >>>>>>>>>> >> (decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws >>>>>>>>>> into her >>>>>>>>>> >> vertebrae). >>>>>>>>>> >> But she didn't get hooked. Claimed it worked really well. >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> -----Original Message----- From: Jay Weekley >>>>>>>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM >>>>>>>>>> >> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't sound >>>>>>>>>> like fun >>>>>>>>>> >> and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows. Granted, all I >>>>>>>>>> know about >>>>>>>>>> >> bath salts are the videos I've come across. >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Steve Jones wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>> They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of >>>>>>>>>> xanax, 16 >>>>>>>>>> >>> doses od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath >>>>>>>>>> salts. >>>>>>>>>> >>> other misch controlled substance pills as well as delivery of >>>>>>>>>> meth >>>>>>>>>> >>> charges. >>>>>>>>>> >>> fucking bath salts >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned >>>>>>>>>> that Every >>>>>>>>>> >>> vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or >>>>>>>>>> paraphernalia >>>>>>>>>> >>> in it. >>>>>>>>>> >>> Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most >>>>>>>>>> humble become >>>>>>>>>> >>> demented. >>>>>>>>>> >>> A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just >>>>>>>>>> not meant >>>>>>>>>> >>> to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is >>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>> >>> truth to that. >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>> I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I >>>>>>>>>> deal with >>>>>>>>>> >>>> almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law >>>>>>>>>> >>>> enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them >>>>>>>>>> tells me >>>>>>>>>> >>>> that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems >>>>>>>>>> they put at >>>>>>>>>> >>>> about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of perverts >>>>>>>>>> that should >>>>>>>>>> >>>> probably be castrated upon a verdict. >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> I had a similar situation. Rather my wife did. We >>>>>>>>>> took the >>>>>>>>>> >>>> kids in (her sister�s kids). >>>>>>>>>> >>>> Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs etc. >>>>>>>>>> >>>> One of the parents got them back for a while, then >>>>>>>>>> the other. >>>>>>>>>> >>>> Those kids still think of my wife as �mom�. >>>>>>>>>> They are all >>>>>>>>>> >>>> grown up with grandkids of their own now. >>>>>>>>>> >>>> One of them is a solid cop in Reno. The other has >>>>>>>>>> not turned >>>>>>>>>> >>>> out so well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>> The world needs standup guys like you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>> *From:* Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>> >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM >>>>>>>>>> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> >>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents >>>>>>>>>> >>>> You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. >>>>>>>>>> So like 7 >>>>>>>>>> >>>> years ago we took in my old ladys nephews because, >>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>> >>>> fuckwit parents. FYI the foster care system is >>>>>>>>>> aweful. We >>>>>>>>>> >>>> fostered them for a year and half while her brother >>>>>>>>>> and baby >>>>>>>>>> >>>> momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 >>>>>>>>>> month old >>>>>>>>>> >>>> at the time had a club foot, i had to build a >>>>>>>>>> sleeping rig >>>>>>>>>> >>>> with some shoes with the ankles hooked together and >>>>>>>>>> the toes >>>>>>>>>> >>>> locked outward with a ruler, i worked his legs in >>>>>>>>>> and out til >>>>>>>>>> >>>> his hip popped one night, i thought i broke his hip, >>>>>>>>>> but it >>>>>>>>>> >>>> was just something going back. The 4 year old you >>>>>>>>>> couldbt >>>>>>>>>> >>>> understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so >>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>> >>>> never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that >>>>>>>>>> was the >>>>>>>>>> >>>> least bad of the fuckery. This was me, the old lady, >>>>>>>>>> >>>> a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a tiny 2 bedroom. >>>>>>>>>> >>>> Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house >>>>>>>>>> for room, >>>>>>>>>> >>>> and a week later they gave them back to the mom. The >>>>>>>>>> old >>>>>>>>>> >>>> ladies brother never did what he was supposed to. >>>>>>>>>> >>>> Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step >>>>>>>>>> moms) >>>>>>>>>> >>>> funeral, so whats this trashcan do? Gets arrested >>>>>>>>>> for selling >>>>>>>>>> >>>> fucking meth >>>>>>>>>> >>>> So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we >>>>>>>>>> had to be >>>>>>>>>> >>>> late dealing with the child services people. Get all >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> >>>> squared away, get through the funeral and now find >>>>>>>>>> out we >>>>>>>>>> >>>> also get the joy of headlice. >>>>>>>>>> >>>> Seriously, fucking shit fuck. 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