It's a great way to get money though On Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 10:15 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd be all for that. I read somewhere that for all the $billions we spend > on the DEA we are able to stop about 2% of drug traffic. Sounds like a > poor investment. > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com> > To: "af" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: 4/18/2018 12:45:27 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents > > You also avoid some of the issues with questionable quality/potency, and > the related poisioning/overdose deaths. > > If one was to redirect all of the funds spent on the war on drugs (law > enforcement, prisons, etc) into mental health, rehabilitation and > education, I think we'd be far better off. > > > > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:18 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote: > >> That's... That's not at all how it works in the models I'm talking about. >> >> You make it 100% legal, and remove the stigma. You provide safe places to >> get supplies and mental health care. >> >> This largely removes the drug market all together (crashes it), making it >> not a viable thing to sell (better opportunity elsewhere). >> >> It also has the highest treatment success rate for overcoming hard drug >> addiction (mental health care + kratom). >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 11:13 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> decriminalizing maintains the control, keeps people limited to user >>> amounts only, doesnt turn a junkie into a felon whose life is effectively >>> over, but the drug dealers can still be put in prison where they go. >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> If you legalize but tax, there still can be room for a competitor's >>>> product that is... Ahem tax free. >>>> >>>> It's a slipper slope, because if you are taxing it, you are also >>>> regulating it. >>>> >>>> It's crazy ... We allow alcohol but ban weed. Alcohol is disasterous! >>>> >>>> You can sell homeopathic snake oil, but if you have a couple of >>>> mushrooms you found under cowshit in a field you can go to prison. >>>> >>>> This is all so stupid. >>>> >>>> ... But hey, D.A.R.E. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 10:43 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I like pissing off cartels >>>>> >>>>> I always preferred decriminalization to legalization, maintains a >>>>> secondary effective tax to offset the byproduct cost in treatment, etc. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Decriminalize drugs except in the event of endangering the welfare of >>>>>> a child, or risking life/limb of another person. >>>>>> >>>>>> Drugs are a personal choice. If Jimbo isn't hurting anybody by coming >>>>>> home and the end of a day and smoking a joint, or maybe using mushrooms >>>>>> or >>>>>> MDA to help overcome emotional trauma, or for religious reasons, who's >>>>>> business is that? >>>>>> >>>>>> Hard drugs are often done to escape inward or to damage onesself or >>>>>> to feel something or just... Feel. The root problem is mental health. Let >>>>>> people get clean needles in a controlled setting and give them access to >>>>>> talk to someone. It's had amazing effects in those mentioned contries. >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh yeah, it'll right piss off the cartels too. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 9:47 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> theres no shortage of criminals >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wish we would treat drugs here like they do in Spain and >>>>>>>> Portugal, but how would our for-profit prison system, police and >>>>>>>> federal >>>>>>>> law enforcement get money? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:42 PM Steve Jones < >>>>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thats heroin that permantly alters the opoid receptors in the >>>>>>>>> brain, the molecule is slightly larger than the normal brain chemical >>>>>>>>> (dopamine i think) its replacing, so the receptor is enlarged. Its >>>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>>> that first use that is why doing heroin is called chasing the dragon, >>>>>>>>> people are seeking to replicate that first high but never can because >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> physiologic change only happens once so its like chasing a dragon >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 6:18 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That's Fake News. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:21 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I thought I heard somewhere that any use of Meth, even once, >>>>>>>>>>> permanently >>>>>>>>>>> alters the brain chemistry. So it's not a 'recreational' drug, >>>>>>>>>>> and why >>>>>>>>>>> it's so addictive. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4/17/2018 2:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > Anything that makes me not want to eat or sleep isn't for me. >>>>>>>>>>> I like >>>>>>>>>>> > those too much. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Chuck McCown wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> If I am going to use bath salts, they are called Epsom and >>>>>>>>>>> they are >>>>>>>>>>> >> dissolved in hot water... >>>>>>>>>>> >> Not really clear what they mean by bath salts. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> I was prescribed Xanax once. Made me sleepy. >>>>>>>>>>> >> Pot was not my thing back in the 70s... >>>>>>>>>>> >> (I preferred Olympia, Blitz, Rainier, Hamms, Miller, >>>>>>>>>>> Heineken, Henry >>>>>>>>>>> >> Winehards Private Reserve...) >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Not really sure what meth does to you but I know it is >>>>>>>>>>> horribly >>>>>>>>>>> >> addictive and ruins everyone that gets hooked. >>>>>>>>>>> >> I guess it is a version of speed. But no direct experience >>>>>>>>>>> with that >>>>>>>>>>> >> either. Not wanting anything that cause my hear to race. >>>>>>>>>>> >> Coke Zero does that enough for me. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> My wife lived on Oxy after a pair of horrific surgeries >>>>>>>>>>> >> (decompression of the spine, harrington rods, 14 lag screws >>>>>>>>>>> into her >>>>>>>>>>> >> vertebrae). >>>>>>>>>>> >> But she didn't get hooked. Claimed it worked really well. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> -----Original Message----- From: Jay Weekley >>>>>>>>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:08 PM >>>>>>>>>>> >> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> I understand opiods, Xanax and pot but meth just doesn't >>>>>>>>>>> sound like fun >>>>>>>>>>> >> and bath salts has to be the lowest of lows. Granted, all I >>>>>>>>>>> know about >>>>>>>>>>> >> bath salts are the videos I've come across. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Steve Jones wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>> They released the report, they seized appox 70 grams of >>>>>>>>>>> xanax, 16 >>>>>>>>>>> >>> doses od suboxone (essentially heroin) 11.8 grams of bath >>>>>>>>>>> salts. >>>>>>>>>>> >>> other misch controlled substance pills as well as delivery >>>>>>>>>>> of meth >>>>>>>>>>> >>> charges. >>>>>>>>>>> >>> fucking bath salts >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>> <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> I hear the same shit as lewis and the sheriff mentioned >>>>>>>>>>> that Every >>>>>>>>>>> >>> vehicle that is pulled over has some form of drug or >>>>>>>>>>> paraphernalia >>>>>>>>>>> >>> in it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>> Meth is the demon drug that will cause even the most >>>>>>>>>>> humble become >>>>>>>>>>> >>> demented. >>>>>>>>>>> >>> A peer of my rank in the army said "That some were just >>>>>>>>>>> not meant >>>>>>>>>>> >>> to breed!" We laughed about it but I do believe there is >>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>> >>> truth to that. >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> On 04/15/2018 05:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> I think Meth answers all your "why" questions. Since I >>>>>>>>>>> deal with >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> almost every sheriff in and most every drug focused law >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> enforcement I hear a lot of their stories. One of them >>>>>>>>>>> tells me >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> that 95%+ of crime is drug related. CPS type problems >>>>>>>>>>> they put at >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> about 80% with the remaining 15% made of of perverts >>>>>>>>>>> that should >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> probably be castrated upon a verdict. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown < >>>>>>>>>>> ch...@wbmfg.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> I had a similar situation. Rather my wife did. We >>>>>>>>>>> took the >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> kids in (her sister�s kids). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Very similar situation, neglected, abused, drugs >>>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> One of the parents got them back for a while, then >>>>>>>>>>> the other. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Those kids still think of my wife as �mom�. >>>>>>>>>>> They are all >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> grown up with grandkids of their own now. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> One of them is a solid cop in Reno. The other has >>>>>>>>>>> not turned >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> out so well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> The world needs standup guys like you. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> *From:* Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:00 PM >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: very OT. Scumbag parents >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> You folks get my vent because i cant anywherr else. >>>>>>>>>>> So like 7 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> years ago we took in my old ladys nephews because, >>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> fuckwit parents. FYI the foster care system is >>>>>>>>>>> aweful. We >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> fostered them for a year and half while her brother >>>>>>>>>>> and baby >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> momma sorted their shit, or so we thought. The 18 >>>>>>>>>>> month old >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> at the time had a club foot, i had to build a >>>>>>>>>>> sleeping rig >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> with some shoes with the ankles hooked together and >>>>>>>>>>> the toes >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> locked outward with a ruler, i worked his legs in >>>>>>>>>>> and out til >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> his hip popped one night, i thought i broke his >>>>>>>>>>> hip, but it >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> was just something going back. The 4 year old you >>>>>>>>>>> couldbt >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> understand cause they thought baby talk was cute so >>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> never taught him to speak. We fixed that, and that >>>>>>>>>>> was the >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> least bad of the fuckery. This was me, the old lady, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> a1,2,4,and 5 year old with our 2 in a tiny 2 >>>>>>>>>>> bedroom. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Finally got these boys shaped up and bought a house >>>>>>>>>>> for room, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> and a week later they gave them back to the mom. >>>>>>>>>>> The old >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> ladies brother never did what he was supposed to. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Now today was their grandmas (my old ladies step >>>>>>>>>>> moms) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> funeral, so whats this trashcan do? Gets arrested >>>>>>>>>>> for selling >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> fucking meth >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> So dealing with all that comes with a funeral, we >>>>>>>>>>> had to be >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> late dealing with the child services people. Get >>>>>>>>>>> all that >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> squared away, get through the funeral and now find >>>>>>>>>>> out we >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> also get the joy of headlice. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Seriously, fucking shit fuck. How do people do this >>>>>>>>>>> shit to >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> kids, theyre not just a thing you have while doing >>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> things. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Im not lawfully allowed to discuss any of this with >>>>>>>>>>> anyone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> who is remotely involved, i figure none of you are. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> But seriously, what the fuck, you get your kids >>>>>>>>>>> back and sell >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> meth. And theyre already asking if they sign their >>>>>>>>>>> righys if >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> they can see the kids still. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> I have very few skills, and none of rhem involve >>>>>>>>>>> the ability >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> to not want to feed these people lead >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> < >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> Virus-free. www.avg.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>> < >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> --- >>>>>>>>>>> >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://www.avg.com >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>> > > > -- > *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* > Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 > forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> > <http://twitter.com/@packetflux> > >
