Not sure about what to think about all that, but I just want to comment on the fact that those 'professionals' wrote that as a guideline for generic apps, they didn't do it having amsn in mind, so you shouldn't think of their *guidelines* as being true at 100%, keep an open mind...

KKRT


On Thu, 04 May 2006 05:43:28 -0400, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

OK, here I go again;  In our Chatwindow, nor in any window of aMSN that
needs menus, we'reworking on files.  The first menu should be about the
"object" you work on in that particular window.  In a
word-processor/filemanager, you are working on (a) file(s), so this menu
is called "File".  In a chatwindow, you're "working" on chats.  So, imo,
following guidelines written by professionals [1], it should be called
"Chat".
You say "it should be called 'save as ...' but this is up to the
translator.  Now in Dutch, and I guess you translated this ;), it's
"save as a file", which sounds very clear in a "Chat" menu.
When you press "close" you are not closing any file.  You close a chat!


You say "my action menu is about changing something to the chat". All
but the first item in there is about  interaction with you contact so I
don't see why it's not a bout contact.  It's just natural language
"Contact -> send nudge" and it's kind of clear you are going to send a
nudge to that contact.

I'm ok about removing the webcam setup button.


Karel.


[1]
http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/index.html



Op wo, 03-05-2006 te 22:24 +0200, schreef Harry Vennik:
Ok, chatwindow menu's are far from perfect now, so I do support Karel's
proposal to make them better, but I do not like the menu's he proposed
either. Instead of a lengthy mail with all kinds of arguments, I'd like to
make my own proposal how I'd do it. I'll add a few remarks at the end.

Okay, here is my proposal for the menu's:


File  Edit  View  Actions  Contact
===============================


===File===
Save As...
---
Send file...
Show received files
---
Close


===Edit===
Cut
Copy
Paste
---
Find...
Find Next
Find Previous


===View===
Chat style   >
Font size    >
---
* Show emoticons
* Show display plicture


===Actions===
Add a contact to this chat...
---
Send webcam
Ask to receive webcam
---
Send a nudge


===Contact===
Add to my contactlist
Block
---
Send e-mail
Send SMS
---
View history
View webcam sessions
---
View profile
View/edit notes
Properties


Remarks:
- Everything where the user has to pick a file, name a file, or will see a
representation of files on disk is in the File menu.
- I used 'Save As...' and not 'Save', because the user will have to name the
file!
- The close option is also in the File menu because every user will look for it at the bottom of this menu, because it is always there, in every app, so
we won't do that differently.

- In the Edit menu is only what is there usually: Cut/Copy/Paste and the
commands for searching in the window content.

- In View there is anything about how things appear. The word 'view' is to be read as 'Appearance', as explained by Karel. He's right there. (The * before
the last two lines of this menu just means they are on/off switches)

- The Actions menu contains everything that is about 'doing something that has
some effect within the chat'

- The Contact menu contains everything that affects the other user in the chat in any way, but is not directly related to the chat itself. I did not include the 'Set alarm' because it is on the properties window, which is in the menu
already.

- 'Webcam settings' is not in the menu. Maybe they can go into the CL-menu, but I think having it accessible from the preferences window is all we need.

Okay, that is my idea about it. I hope it's helpful.

Harry

Op woensdag 3 mei 2006 19:02, schreef Youness Alaoui:
> On Wed, 03 May 2006 12:37:35 -0400, Ismael Asensio
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 2006/5/3, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> > I have just one comment. How about moving
> >> > View Chat history
> >> > view Webcam History
> >> > Into the view part?
> >>
> >> A view menu is the menu where the visual appereance of the document
> >> you're working on and the surrounding UI can be changed. It's mostly > >> mistaken by people with an English UI as "view" also means like "look > >> at", but this is not the case for all languages. I don't know what it's > >> in french, but the Dutch word for example can be translated as "screen"
> >> or "image".   "view chat history" is an action on a user and thus
> >> belongs to the "contact" menu imo.
> >
> > For Spanish users this distinction will be more difult to understand,
> > as the translation for "View" menu is the verb "Ver" (litteraly "To
> > see"), rather than a name, so that seems to be an action. This is the > > standard translation in every desktop and programa I can remember, but
> > it seems the Dutch people got right from the begining.
>
> humm, you mean someone made that mistake on MS DOS 1.0 and everyone kept
> doing itwhen translating ? too bad...
>
> > I allways click on "View" to "view history" rather than on "Actions",
> > and I allways wondered why it was on that place.
>
> same happens to me every time...
>
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