Ok, here's a link to the article you and Fox news are trying to exploit;
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-
obamamideast10apr10,0,1780231,full.story
Make sure you read it in full.
If you do, you'll notice that Obama wants both Israel and Palestine to stop
fighting and
find common ground.
Explain to me how that's a bad thing?
Are you unaware of the fact that Obama has been a strong supporter of Israel
for years,
and that Israel is very pro-Obama?
Finally, it's not a stretch to say that both Palestine and Israel both
conducted activities that
one could label as terrorism, and Palestine has every right in the world to
fight the Israeli
occupation.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I would never want to put words in your mouth Jack. You don't have to say it
> liberals
always go after reliogions that won't fight back yet don't have a set of nuts
to go against
people that kill innocent people. You are putting words in my mouth I don't
give crap who
you vote for.
>
> Why is the LA Times hiding a video tape of your messiah with Khaladi? You are
> so naive
it is scary. If it were of McCain it would be plastered all over the news. Fair
and Balanced
my ass!
>
>
> --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Jack Pitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: Jack Pitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 4:31 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Oh look, here's another guy putting words in my mouth. Show me where I said
> anything
> about
> "a homicide bomber screaming Allah"
> Oh wait, you must think that because you know I'm an Obama supporter and that
> I
> actually
> believe that Obama is somehow a terrorist in hiding.
> Your right, I am a piece of work and proud of it, and I'm greatly looking
> forward to the day
> when Obama takes office and actually turns this country in a positive
> direction
> for a
> change.
> I'd also like to add that the 8 years of damage that GW did to this county and
> world are a
> million times worse then anything Obama has ever been accused of.
>
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mike Hemeon <tvnetdude2000@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Evangelical Republicans scare the crap out of you yet a homicide bomber
> > screaming
> Allah before he kills innocent people is okay? YOu are a piece of work.
> >
> > --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Jack Pitzer <hinge98@ > wrote:
> >
> > From: Jack Pitzer <hinge98@ >
> > Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Hijacked from true to equal protection
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 3:55 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Actually, no, I'm not going to do that. I can't google quick enough, and
> > honestly, I
don't
> > really care.
> > If I wanted to, I could easily make the leap that one of the biggest
> > support groups for
> > Republicans are evangelical christians, who basically scare the crap out of
> > me.
> > They are patently anti-gay.
> > So, while it might be true that a republican figurehead such as a president
> > may not
have
> > done anything to hurt the gay population, behind the scenes there is plenty
> > of hurt
> going
> > on by republican supporters.
> >
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "justifiedright" <justifiedright@ ...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Jack how do you post this without responding at all to the fact that
> > > only a Democrat President has passed laws hurting gays?
> > >
> > > You go straight to name calling.
> > >
> > > Nothing to say about the fact that only a Democrat President had hurt
> > > gays and Republicans haven't?
> > >
> > > It's not a fair statement to say 'Democrats hurt gays" when only a
> > > Democrat President as hurt them not once but twice?
> > >
> > > Address the issue. I dare you.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <hinge98@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Democrats hurt gays.
> > > > Probably the most ignorant comment I've ever read here.
> > > > I can't wait for this election to be over, because the hardcore
> > > republicans appear to be
> > > > freaking out in desperation. Fox news was falling all over itself
> > > this morning to find new
> > > > ways to put Obama down while grasping at straws.
> > > > What's going to happen to all of the over-zealous republicans next
> > > week when Obama
> > > > wins? Are you all going to go hide under your beds in fear?
> > > > And what happens when Obama actually does good for our country? Are
> > > you going to find
> > > > a way to trash him then?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "justifiedright"
> > > <justifiedright@ > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You say below that Biden wants to "preserve the definition of marriage
> > > > > in the constitution. "
> > > > >
> > > > > Is that another Biden gaffe? Where does the constitution have a
> > > > > definition of marriage?
> > > > >
> > > > > Either he didn't say it and your source is wrong, or he's made yet
> > > > > another of many silly gaffes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry to burst your bubble Jennifer but there have only been 1
> > > > > executive order and 1 law signed by an American President.
> > > > >
> > > > > Both were against gays. Both were signed by Democrat Bill Clinton.
> > > > >
> > > > > No Republican President has signed a law or order against gays.
> > > > >
> > > > > George Bush had a Republican House and Senate for 6 years and didn't
> > > > > do it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Democrat Bill Clinton did.
> > > > >
> > > > > Open your eyes - Democrats hurt gays.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "Jennifer" <jennifernjca@ > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "justifiedright"
> > > > > > <justifiedright@ > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "> Your quote accused conservative of hate and fear mongering. The
> > > > > > > posts were disprove your point - it's the libs that are unhinged."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No Sir, you said Liberals alway change the subject in a response
> > > to a
> > > > > > post I wrote about separating marriage from the state. I replied
> > > > > > that I wasn't changing a subject, but contributing my own
> > > thought on
> > > > > > the topic which had already begun.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I simply replied to you with a question about Conservatives
> > > trying to
> > > > > > scare people and stir up anger and hatred by fear mongering. No
> > > one
> > > > > > is shouting to kill McCain or Palin at Obama rallies.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You came back with some angry people threatening a woman who exists
> > > > > > to be the voice of soccer moms everyhwere. I gave you some very
> > > > > > clear examples and quotes from Republicans on the original topic -
> > > > > > civil rights for gay couples.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I did name the wrong law as the source of the debate DOMA. These
> > > > > > debates were over the the 2006 Federal Marriage Amendment not the
> > > > > > Defense of Marriage Act. It is the words stated that are scary.
> > > The
> > > > > > amendment didn't pass.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Other quotes on the same topic:
> > > > > > Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he will
> > > vote
> > > > > > against the measure on the floor but allowed it to get there in
> > > part
> > > > > > to give the GOP the debate party leaders believe will pay off on
> > > > > > Election Day.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada "The reason for this
> > > > > > debate is to divide our society, to pit one against another.
> > > This is
> > > > > > another one of the presidents efforts to frighten, to distort, to
> > > > > > distract and to confuse America. It is this administration' s way
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > avoiding the tough, real problems that American citizens are
> > > > > > confronted with each and every day."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "It's politics. It's pandering and it's placating a core
> > > > > > constituency, the evangelicals" San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You wrote "If you are for equalizing gay rights, you have no dog in
> > > > > > this Presidential hunt. Both candidates said at debate they agree
> > > > > > with one another - neither will equalize the marriage rights
> > > (rather
> > > > > > lack thereof) for gays."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The current presidential election? I didn't bring that up at all.
> > > > > > Still, I knew some have spoken up so here's their own words on the
> > > > > > topic.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From the VP Debate
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Q: Would you support expanding that beyond Alaska to the rest of
> > > the
> > > > > > nation?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PALIN: Well, not if it goes closer and closer towards redefining
> > > the
> > > > > > traditional definition of marriage between one man and one
> > > woman. And
> > > > > > unfortunately that's sometimes where those steps lead. I don't
> > > > > > support defining marriage as anything but between one man and one
> > > > > > woman, and I think through nuances we can go round and round about
> > > > > > what that actually means. I'm being as straight up with
> > > Americans as
> > > > > > I can in my non- support for anything but a traditional
> > > definition of
> > > > > > marriage.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Q: Let's try to avoid nuance. Do you support gay marriage?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BIDEN: No. We do not support that. That is a decision to be able to
> > > > > > be left to faiths.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PALIN: My answer is the same as his and it is that I do not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Marriages are an institution of faith and civil unions are an
> > > > > > institution of state. Sounds like Joe agrees.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That famous executive experience of Palin's was often used to fight
> > > > > > gay civil unions. Sarah Palin fought Alaska's civil union laws.
> > > > > > Palin said she supported Alaska's decision to amend its
> > > Constitution
> > > > > > to ban same-sex marriage. But she used her first veto as
> > > governor to
> > > > > > block a bill that would have prohibited the state from granting
> > > > > > health benefits to same-sex partners of public employees. Ms. Palin
> > > > > > said she vetoed the bill because it was unconstitutional, but
> > > raised
> > > > > > the possibility of amending the state Constitution so the ban could
> > > > > > pass muster.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Governor Sarah Palin today announced that, per the recent ruling of
> > > > > > the Supreme Court of Alaska, the State of Alaska's regulations
> > > are in
> > > > > > effect to begin providing state benefits to same sex partners
> > > > > > beginning January 1, 2007. "The Supreme Court has ordered
> > > adoption of
> > > > > > the regulations by the State of Alaska to begin providing benefits
> > > > > > January 1," said Governor Palin. "We have no more judicial options.
> > > > > > We may disagree with the rationale behind the ruling, but our
> > > > > > responsibility is to proceed forward with the law and follow the
> > > > > > Constitution. "
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In addition to adoption of the regulations, Governor Palin signed
> > > > > > HB4002 today, which calls for a statewide advisory vote,
> > > proposed by
> > > > > > the Legislature during its November special session. "I disagree
> > > with
> > > > > > the recent court decision because I feel as though Alaskans
> > > spoke on
> > > > > > this issue with its overwhelming support for a Constitutional
> > > > > > Amendment in 1998 which defined marriage as between a man and
> > > woman.
> > > > > > But the Supreme Court has spoken and the state will abide.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Source: Alaska Governor's Office: Press release 06-012, "Same Sex"
> > > > > > Dec 20, 2006
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Palin said she's not out to judge anyone and has good friends
> > > who are
> > > > > > gay, but that she supported the 1998 constitutional amendment.
> > > > > > Elected officials can't defy the court when it comes to how rights
> > > > > > are applied, she said, but she would support a ballot question that
> > > > > > would deny benefits to homosexual couples. "I believe that honoring
> > > > > > the family structure is that important," Palin said. She said she
> > > > > > doesn't know if people choose to be gay.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Source: Anchorage Daily News, "Little play," by K. Hopkins Aug 6,
> > > > > > 2006
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Q: Do you support the Alaska Supreme Court's ruling that spousal
> > > > > > benefits for state employees should be given to same-sex couples?
> > > > > > A: No, I believe spousal benefits are reserved for married citizens
> > > > > > as defined in our constitution.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Source: Eagle Forum 2006 Gubernatorial Candidate Questionnaire Jul
> > > > > > 31, 2006
> > > > > > Q: In relationship to families, what are your top three
> > > priorities if
> > > > > > elected governor?
> > > > > > A: 1. Creating an atmosphere where parents feel welcome to
> > > choose the
> > > > > > venues of education for their children.
> > > > > > 2. Preserving the definition of "marriage" as defined in our
> > > > > > constitution.
> > > > > > 3. Cracking down on the things that harm family life: gangs, drug
> > > > > > use, and infringement of our liberties including attacks on our 2nd
> > > > > > Amendment rights.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Source: Eagle Forum 2006 Gubernatorial Candidate Questionnaire Jul
> > > > > > 31, 2006
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Before you conclude that I am misinterpreting Biden's civil union
> > > > > > stand here's his opinion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Q: In relationship to families, what are your top three
> > > priorities if
> > > > > > elected governor?
> > > > > > A: 1. Creating an atmosphere where parents feel welcome to
> > > choose the
> > > > > > venues of education for their children.
> > > > > > 2. Preserving the definition of "marriage" as defined in our
> > > > > > constitution.
> > > > > > 3. Cracking down on the things that harm family life: gangs, drug
> > > > > > use, and infringement of our liberties including attacks on our 2nd
> > > > > > Amendment rights.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Source: Eagle Forum 2006 Gubernatorial Candidate Questionnaire Jul
> > > > > > 31, 2006
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Barack Obama
> > > > > > Q: You had one supporter on a Bible tour in South Carolina who said
> > > > > > that homosexuality was a curse and that he had been cured by
> > > prayer.
> > > > > > Do you believe homosexuality' s a curse?
> > > > > > A: No.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Q: Do you believe that it is something that you are born gay or
> > > that
> > > > > > you can change your behavior?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A: I do not believe being gay or lesbian is a choice. And so I
> > > > > > disagree with [that supporter]. But part of what I hope to offer as
> > > > > > president is the ability to reach to people that I don't agree
> > > with,
> > > > > > and the evangelical community is one where the Democratic Party, I
> > > > > > think, we have generally seen as hostile. We haven't been reaching
> > > > > > out to them, and I think that if we're going to makes significant
> > > > > > progress on critical issues that we face, we've got to be able
> > > to get
> > > > > > beyond our comfort zones and just talk to people we don't like.
> > > I've
> > > > > > tried to do is to reach out to the evangelical community and tell
> > > > > > them very clearly where I disagree.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Source: Meet the Press: 2007 "Meet the Candidates" series Nov 11,
> > > > > > 2007
> > > > > > Q: You had one supporter on a Bible tour in South Carolina who said
> > > > > > that homosexuality was a curse and that he had been cured by
> > > prayer.
> > > > > > Do you believe homosexuality' s a curse?
> > > > > > A: No.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Q: Do you believe that it is something that you are born gay or
> > > that
> > > > > > you can change your behavior?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A: I do not believe being gay or lesbian is a choice. And so I
> > > > > > disagree with [that supporter]. But part of what I hope to offer as
> > > > > > president is the ability to reach to people that I don't agree
> > > with,
> > > > > > and the evangelical community is one where the Democratic Party, I
> > > > > > think, we have generally seen as hostile. We haven't been reaching
> > > > > > out to them, and I think that if we're going to makes significant
> > > > > > progress on critical issues that we face, we've got to be able
> > > to get
> > > > > > beyond our comfort zones and just talk to people we don't like.
> > > I've
> > > > > > tried to do is to reach out to the evangelical community and tell
> > > > > > them very clearly where I disagree.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Source: Meet the Press: 2007 "Meet the Candidates" series Nov 11,
> > > > > > 2007
> > > > > > The notion of gay marriage has been used to divide people in black
> > > > > > churches. I pointed out that if there's any pastor here who can
> > > point
> > > > > > out a marriage that has been broken up as a consequence of
> > > seeing two
> > > > > > men or two women holding hands, then you should tell me, because I
> > > > > > haven't seen any evidence of it. And if you think that issue is
> > > more
> > > > > > important to the black family than the fact that black men don't
> > > have
> > > > > > any jobs and are struggling in the inner cities, then I profoundly
> > > > > > disagree with you.
> > > > > > Source: 2007 HRC/LOGO debate on gay issues Aug 9, 2007
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The notion of gay marriage has been used to divide people in black
> > > > > > churches. I pointed out that if there's any pastor here who can
> > > point
> > > > > > out a marriage that has been broken up as a consequence of
> > > seeing two
> > > > > > men or two women holding hands, then you should tell me, because I
> > > > > > haven't seen any evidence of it. And if you think that issue is
> > > more
> > > > > > important to the black family than the fact that black men don't
> > > have
> > > > > > any jobs and are struggling in the inner cities, then I profoundly
> > > > > > disagree with you.
> > > > > > Source: 2007 HRC/LOGO debate on gay issues Aug 9, 2007
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Q: You have said in previous debates that it is up to individual
> > > > > > religious denominations to decide whether or not to recognize same-
> > > > > > sex marriage. What place does the church have in government-
> > > > > > sanctioned civil marriages?
> > > > > > A: It is my strong belief that the government has to treat all
> > > > > > citizens equally. I don't think that the church should be making
> > > > > > these determinations when it comes to legal rights conferred by the
> > > > > > state. I do think that individual denominations have the right to
> > > > > > make their own decisions as to whether they recognize same sex
> > > > > > couples. My denomination, United Church of Christ, does. Other
> > > > > > denominations may make a decision, and obviously, part of keeping a
> > > > > > separation of churches and state is also to make sure that churches
> > > > > > have the right to exercise their freedom of religion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Source: 2007 HRC/LOGO debate on gay issues Aug 9, 2007
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Obama may not support marriage for gays. He does support equal
> > > > > > rights under civil unions. McCain on the other hand supports
> > > > > > legislation that takes away the right constitutionally
> > > > > >
> > > > > > McCain announced his support last week for the California ballot
> > > > > > measure, known as Prop. 8. "I support the efforts of the people of
> > > > > > California to recognize marriage as a unique institution between a
> > > > > > man and a woman, just as we did in my home state of Arizona," he
> > > said.
> > > > > > Source: By Michael Finnegan and Cathleen Decker, Los Angeles Times
> > > > > > Jul 2, 2008
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Obama has said a lot more. He's appeared in debates on LOGO. I
> > > > > > don't want to be unfair to McCain here. He hasn't overtly opposed
> > > > > > rights to gays. I will leave their words to speak for them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, I never asked about the current presidential election. I
> > > > > > only asked about Conservatives.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If anyone is interested in how the candidates stand on different
> > > > > > areas of civil rights you can visit www.onthe issues.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't want rights that other people cannot have. It feels
> > > > > > unbalanced. I think of Laurel Hester who fought to her dying
> > > breath
> > > > > > to have her hard earned pension awarded to her partner.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is sometimes no excuse for the inexcusable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BTW, I admire some aspects of the original almost altruistic
> > > > > > conservative movement. Those old small government guys weren't
> > > > > > trying to discriminate against any one group. The Republicans of
> > > > > > yore were the party of Lincoln. If I lived, 150 years ago I
> > > would be
> > > > > > a Republican. I couldn't vote, but I'd be a Republican. The
> > > > > > original party founders must be looking down with horror at the
> > > > > > current one. I don't doubt that quite a few living ones are too.
> > > > > > I've just read an interview with one - Christopher Buckley, the son
> > > > > > of William F. Buckley, Jr. I hope you're more Buckley than Bush.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > Jennifer
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