Ram:
>That would be the easy part (thinking about it) - but
the tougher part would to >hold one at all. Whether its Kashmir or
Assam, it is next to impossible to hold >one.
*** That is a profoundly lame argument. I am surprised you would
make it.
The truth of the matter is that India is just too insecure, too
weak a state, and too autocratic in its nature--actually FEUDAL is the
right terminology, to accept what ought to be a cornerstone of a truly
DEMOCRATIC federal republic, like the one India PROMISED to be, but
reneged on. India is terrified ( rightly perhaps), that it would soon
fall apart, once Kashmir or the NE go. But if that is the truth about
India's pretensions to nationhood, it probably does NOT deserve to
remain together. On the other hand, the chances are very good, that
the realities of survival and the historical
cultural/economic/religious connections would force them to live
peacefully, in interdependence, but as sovereign entities, being
responsible for their own well-being.
*** It is the intelligentsia, one that never cease to froth in
the mouth about democratic ideals and freedom of choices, who would
NOT let the same freedom of choices to those who they consider unable
to decide for themselves.
>Whichever side looses, they are going to claim there was
widespread >intimidation etc, etc. Yes, one could say - get those
international observers >(Jimmy Carter) to observe. But that is
very unlikely. India will never submit >to that (claiming
sovereignty issues).
*** And that is an acceptable proposition for you Ram? Where
would YOU stand on the issue, when it comes to making that choice? Can
YOU accept that? If not, what is YOUR excuse?
> Add to the equation, that many feel that Assam is filled up
with illegal >Bangladeshis (and maybe even ISI agents).
*** And Kashmir with Pakistanis -- you forgot to add Ram. And
thus the self-fulfilling prophecy reigns.
>About a plebicite being bloodless - I seriously doubt if that
will be be the >turn of events.
*** And the better option therefore is for the far mightier force
to slaughter the rag-tag group of militants seeking to affirm their
sovereignty, as fair and objective partisans like yourself
would support. Isn't that the truth here Ram?
>A nation can be mature only as much as its population will
allow it. Don't you >think?
*** As if it matters what the PEOPLE want. Heck if the people
mattered in desi demokrasy, it would have been resolved long
ago.
At 6:15 PM -0600 1/9/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Hi there Utpal,
No, I don't think I am right all the time -and am sure others think likewise.
>There is easy way to find out. Hold a plesbicite under a free neutral environment and avoid all >bloodshed.
That would be the easy part (thinking about it) - but the tougher part would to hold one at all. Whether its Kashmir or Assam, it is next to impossible to hold one.
Why do I say this: Whichever side looses, they are going to claim there was widespread intimidation etc, etc. Yes, one could say - get those international observers (Jimmy Carter) to observe. But that is very unlikely. India will never submit to that (claiming sovereignty issues).
Add to the equation, that many feel that Assam is filled up with illegal Bangladeshis (and maybe even ISI agents). The question that comes to mind is, if thats the situation (like Pakistanis in Kashmir), why would we ever want to go for a plebicite of a population that would want to merge with B'desh or Pakistan?
About a plebicite being bloodless - I seriously doubt if that will be be the turn of events.
>I hope someday the nation called India will be matured enough to incorporate the "instrument of >seccession" in the constitution.
A nation can be mature only as much as its population will allow it. Don't you think?
--Ram da
On 1/9/06, Malabika Brahma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Chandan da thinks he is right. So does Rajen da or Ram da or Mike da or my self. May be we all are right or may be not. It does not matter what I or you feel (the elites of Assam) , what really matters is what the people of Assam feel. May be most of the people in Assam want seperation from India or may be they don't.There is easy way to find out. Hold a plesbicite under a free neutral environment and avoid all bloodshed.But somehow I think the present form of GOI does not have the moral courage to face the free and fair ballot that would decide the fate of Assam or NE for that matter. Also the question is whether pro-independence groups of NE have the moral courage face the same.I hope someday the nation called India will be matured enough to incorporate the "instrument of seccession" in the constitution.Utpal Brahma
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