>Because the general public is not speaking out thinking it
>will lead to confrontation or they will
>lose a few friends, a few naysayers are controlling the
>community and taking it into the past.



*** I understand your frustrations Jugal.

People do not voice their opinions because it is obviously not important to
them. They are apathetic.


How do you change apathy? If we can come up with a solution, we would do
real wonders.

Often I have thought about what it means to be a markhowa. It varies from
person to person. There is no strong common thread that binds us ALL
together. That is why the factionalism. Organizational identities or the
ostensible nurturing of an organization is merely a fancy packaging to
camouflage the unpleasant truth of narrow factionalism, of those cocoons.
We know it is not something to be proud of. So we give it a fancy name,
make it an icon, hold birthdays, celebrate anniversaries--the whole
shebang, even if it means excluding some while we claim to represent them.

These are difficult things to come to terms with. We have a lot of more
things to attend to. Sure we like to, sincerely, meet every now and then
and be tengakhowas and kharkhowas. But deep down, it is a small part of our
lives. Not that importnat to go get involved. To fight the good fights, to
build an inclusive community.

Life goes on.







At 3:43 PM -0600 8/18/03, J Kalita wrote:
>I  have no problems with me being thrown out! If enough
>people hurl stones at me, I will go away from community involvement.
>I will find something else to be involved in.
>

>
>Jugal
>
>> Now, now, Jugal :-)!
>>
>>
>> No need to throw anyone out, yet. I hope anyway. Because the moment we
>> attrempt to throw anyone out of the small community, we get into real
>> trouble. I can't imagine how YOU could propose to throw out the
>> dissenter/s Jugal. Or for that matter me. Aren't WE, you, I, some of the
>> perennial and most insufferable of dissenters? But I won't like to be
>> THROWN OUT. I yearn to be an insider, to be liked, to be accepted. Its
>> just that my finger types out stuff that I can't control, and keeps me
>> out in the cold.
>>
>> I wouldn't wish to see YOU thrown out either, just because you are in
>> the minority.
>>
>> Confrontation has more than one dimension. Some confrontations are
>> necessary. They are the ones founded on principles. But there are
>> confrontations that are quite un-necessary. They have nothing to do with
>> principles or ideology. The two do not hold the same stature.
>>
>>
>> I didn't get the comment on the leadership point. Maybe I missed the
>> context here.
>>
>> Peace brother!
>>
>> :-) :-) :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 2:14 PM -0600 8/18/03, J Kalita wrote:
>>>This is a call to those who profess non-participation
>>>and non-confrontation.
>>>
>>>I don't agree with the idea of  non-solution by non-participation.
>>> Participate and throw out those who don't want to work together if that
>>> is your goal.
>>>
>>>Leadership? You can be the leader!
>>>
>>>Jugal
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Chandan da:
>>>>
>>>> I too agree and have always been advocating for this for a long time.
>>>> In
>>>>  fact, one of the reasons, for simple folks like us not aligned with
>>>> any
>>>> one  of the organizations is that we have far too many affiliations
>>>> floating  around.
>>>>
>>>> You do state good some reasons, but I kind of like what I think Jugal
>>>> was  referring to: ie: These organizations have done a lot of good
>>>> things in the  past - and now its time for them to go.
>>>>
>>>> In the past, whenever I have broached this with some of our leaders -
>>>> the  response has always been - "we  are getting there - all this
>>>> takes time"  etc, etc. However, I suspect that this is the same sort
>>>> of tripe that we  have been dished out for the last so many years.
>>>>
>>>> I would hazard a suggestion: We have only one organization, and have
>>>> a number of wings to this, each  dealing with Charity, Annual
>>>> Conventions/Conferences, Publicity, etc, etc.  I am sure someone has
>>>> already  suggested something like this.
>>>>
>>>> This has an added value in making sure that many more people could
>>>> contribute to the unity (and strengthening). I am sure you already
>>>> see the  flaws here - feel free to point them out.
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>> Ram Sarangapani
>>>>
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