Hi A:
At 1:40 PM -0500 5/9/05, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:
C'da: do you have a plan to make the net stink without anybody doing anything as opposed to the saying that you just mentioned?
*** Good to hear from you. You have been quiet. I was wondering why you hadn't joined in the spear-chucking on me ?
Yes, yes, I have many plans in my stinky little bag of tricks. But, this particular shot I took on account of charges of 'paranoia' on my part because it is thrown around by some Texans, every time they are against the wall, unable to defend assertions that I challenge.
Why did I not name them and used the cover of gwal-gaali? One,because I am good at it ( didn't know that did you ?), the other because I like to to make the objects of my torment go check if the shoe fits, as often as possible> it is an old technique to wear the opponents down. Also I am tired of giving out all the answers every time I am in an inquisition, while the inquisitors blithely ignore the questions I raise. As a fair and neutral-to-a-fault person, can you blame me? Yet another is, if I don't torment the nimakhit Texarkhowas who would I torment? The sharp and the feisty ? I may be foolish, but not stupid.
C-da :-)
> But it is not your problem alone. It seems to be a commonaffliction amongst certain Texas Kharkhowas .
And why is this guwal-gaali to the nimakhit Texamese who are minding their own business? J
>to the logical minded, they started talking of morality and NGOs.From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Rajen Barua" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu> Subject: Re: [Assam] Re: On Systems and Leaders. Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 12:21:26 -0500
Rajen:
I think you are writing this because you are paranoid with the idea that only independence is >the way to go for Assam, and are blind-folded to see anything outside the square. As such, >instead of acting for the cause of Assam, you are just reacting to everything GOI does. Even >your demand for reform for India sound reactionary coming from an outside observer, and not >because you are concerned about India. That is why you don't care even to know what reforms >are needed. Overall, it looks like you are taking training directly from George Bush in >advancing your fundamentalist ideas. I thought you are a person with liberal views and had >got nothing to do with George Bush. But I may be wrong.
*** I must have gotten you angry again .
Just few corrections:
*** The word you were seeking to use was not 'paranoid'. Paranoia is a mental condition that makes one think, unreasonably, or without any foundation, that others are out to get him.
But it is not your problem alone. It seems to be a common affliction amongst certain Texas Kharkhowas .
There is all the evidence in the world that India is not capable of undertaking significant reforms. It is unable to even change course on pursuing unproductive policies, as in Assam, as in Kashmir, for decades on end.
All one needs to do is pay attention to PMs and Pres' lamenting how corruption in India cannot be brought down, until the people become more moral. I won't even touch upon POCOR philosophers' pronouncements .
Even >your demand for reform for India sound reactionary coming from an outside observer, and not >because you are concerned about India.
**** You did figure that out didn't you ? I tried to hide that as far as I could, but it must have showed. I must be slipping.
That is why you don't care even to know what reforms >are needed.
*** Oh yeah? You discovered another of my secrets again. Is that what you were trying to tell me all these months -- what reforms India needs? I mean in addition to leader designs and manufacturing plants? And NGO's to the rescue?
But you may be right, I must have come up with needs for reforms in one of those attacks of paranoia. And since it sounded hallucinatory>>Net, raise their voices FOR systemic reforms, perhaps the fence
Overall, it looks like you are taking training directly from George Bush in >advancing your >fundamentalist ideas.
*** Man, you must have found the key to all my secrets. But honest Rajen, I have nothing to do with the X-ian right. But Rummy, Wolfie , W -- they could very well have brainwashed me subliminally. What with my interest in leveraging Assam and the NE's strategic location in the comon soft-war between the US and China.
BTW, you folks did not respond to my suggestive question on that at all, I mean whether we should encourage Assam to try to leverage its strategic location? Was it too scary?
I thought you are a person with liberal views and had >got nothing to do with George Bush. >But I may be wrong.
Oh you don't have to display any false humility here Rajen, nobody would try to suggest you might be wrong. Kotha eta aase nohoy: Nehagile gu nwgwndahi.You may have stumbled on to yet another ground-breaking discovery here. I have suspected myself that I might have a schizoid personality, spouting liberalism while cavorting with the conservatives.
BTW , did you know what conservatives are about? They are about conserving the system ? They oppose change.
Take care.
c :-)
At 11:01 AM -0500 5/9/05, Rajen Barua wrote:>Now that we agree with you, we hope you don't have to scare all of us again to take Assam away >from the mother.
*** That, unfortunately, is a highly premature wish.
I think you are writing this because you are paranoid with the idea that only independence is the way to go for Assam, and are blind-folded to see anything outside the square. As such, instead of acting for the cause of Assam, you are just reacting to everything GOI does. Even your demand for reform for India sound reactionary coming from an outside observer, and not because you are concerned about India. That is why you don't care even to know what reforms are needed. Overall, it looks like you are taking training directly from George Bush in advancing your fundamentalist ideas. I thought you are a person with liberal views and had got nothing to do with George Bush. But I may be wrong. Rajen
----- Original Message ----- From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Chan Mahanta To: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Rajen Barua ; <mailto:assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu>assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Re: On Systems and Leaders.
At 11:08 PM -0500 5/8/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
*** You confuse the heck out of me. Now you are pro-reform? Not that I dislike the notion, but I thought you disagreed with this reform call none-sense. You don't believe it because the people are bad, that reforms won't achieve anything since there are no leaders, so on and so forth
You are confused because you are not using the garden variety logic. It is simple.
Where did I say I am against reform? I am saying that you must know what reform to do and how. Simply saying that reform is needed will not do any purpose, because we all know that reform is needed.
*** Using garden variety logic, where do all the EVERYBODY who is NOT against reform ( does that mean they are not necessarily for reform, but not against reforms) ought to begin?
Those who know and believe that reforms are needed and raise their voices, or do they wait and pray for that couple of hundred years for the 'leaders' like Britain or the US are purported to have, to evolve or be imported, who will come and tell these clueless Not-against-reform types what and how to reform?
I thought we heard arguments that citizen participation is where democracy's strength lies. And since that is lacking in India, things are as they are, and not because there is anything faulty with the systems. And that NGOs is what they need who will fix governance.
*** And once the POCOR members, who are the most vocal in Assam>>reform call none-sense. You don't belive it because the people aresitters would join the club too, and begin to talk of reforms? Maybe it will spread to Assam too, like SARS? And who knows, they might even buy the idea that systemic reforms might achieve a good part of what independence might ?
Maybe the idea that independence alone would not change anything for Assam unless radical systemic changes to governance are ushered in as well would be persuasive? And if India can embark on significant reforms, it will quell the desire for Assam sovereignty?
Maybe an Indian ground-swell for governmental reforms will kill two birds at one shot? On the one, do good for everyone, and the other, just might begin to subside seditious sentiments of the NE? Could it not be the ultimate win-win solution?
*** I realize I am indulging in 'alaxot-sang-pota' endeavors expecting the POCOR members to discard logic and expecting them to join me in this romantic notion of a reformed governmental system coming to the aid of Assam or India.
After all, just talking of reforms, without a blue-print, prepared by imported leaders, the i's dotted and t's crossed, signed and sealed, is delivered on a silver platter to the gods of desi-demokrasy to act upon, is but a ruse to create more Assamese despondency and incite more insurgency.
For POCOR members don't believe for a moment that India is capable of significant reforms as things stand, just as this troublemaker does.
>Now that we agree with you, we hope you don't have to scare all of us again to take Assam away >from the mother.
*** That, unfortunately, is a highly premature wish.
*** As I said I am not an expert to delineate the exact item that need reforms. That will have to be pinned down by people with recognized expertise in the field. And they will be the ones to recommend required reforms. It is absurd for you to trash calls for reforms, just because the caller cannot give you specific recommendations.
Now I understand. You are neither the patent, nor the doctor, but looks like you are just a visiting guest who is just casually making a remark, "BTW the condition of the patent is terrible and may die soon. Let some doctor come a cure him."
No I would not thrash you for making that remark. In fact I would say, "Thank you sir, for your concern and advice. Of course we all know the patent is sick and we are all worried and trying our best and also seeking some expert doctor to come a diagnose the disease and give some medicine. Please forgive me if I lost my temper and did not behave properly. As you know the patent is my mother and we all are very much worried for her. BTW could you tell us if you know some good physician in this field who can cure my mother? We all will be so pleased".
Ow that is a great relief. Now that we agree with you, we hope you don't have to scare all of us again to take Assam away from the mother.
Rajen
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Chan Mahanta
To: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Rajen Barua ; <mailto:assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu>assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:01 PM
Subject: [Assam] Re: On Systems and Leaders.
Rajen:
At 8:36 PM -0500 5/8/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
>So Sondon, stop harping about reforming the system!
>By golly I think I got it!
Nobody is against reform. If you have any specific reform to suggest, why don't you put it on the table for discussion. You are harping about reform but not discussing what reform or how to do it. Everybody knows India need reform. But what and how? That is the question. Don't be just a patent, try to be a doctor.
Rajen
*** You confuse the heck out of me. Now you are pro-reform? Not that I dislike the notion, but I thought you disagreed with thisbad, that reforms won't achieve anything since there are no leaders, so on and so forth.
>You are harping about reform but not discussing what reform
*** In every facet of governance.
>But what and how?
*** As I said I am not an expert to delineate the exact item that need reforms. That will have to be pinned down by people with recognized expertise in the field. And they will be the ones to recommend reqquired reforms. It is absurd for you to trash calls for reforms, just because the caller cannot give you specific recommendations.
But at a conceptual level, I sure can tell you what is wrong and what needs doing in areas I have familiarity with. Just give me a subject, and I will see if I can't set out solutions in a conceptual level.
>That is the question. Don't be just a patent, try to be a doctor.
*** You are getting into philosophy again. Please spare me that stuff. I am not up to your level on these things.
c
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