Mridul
Bhuyan >From: Ram Sarangapani
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Ram Sarangapani
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Chan Mahanta
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: mridul bhuyan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu
>Subject: Re:
[Assam] Rickshaw pullers, labourers go missing - IANS
>Date: Mon, 23 May
2005 12:50:16 -0500
>
>Hi Mridul
>
> > I will give
you a little time to go over your evidence, mull over it, and
> > see
if you would like to make any corrections or amendments to your
> >
judgement, before I explain things for you.
>
>I am sorry to pull
you into this vortex of C'da's design. He is giving
>you enough rope so
that you could hang yourself , inspite of he being
>from the same neck
of the woods :-)
>
>Sorry C'da, just couldn't resist it.
:-):-)
>
>But, seriously, Mridul, you do make some very good
points. One of the
>things I notice with Americans (not taking jobs that
illegal Mexicans
>do) is that they too are not willing to do menial jobs
that a many
>illegals do. One big reason often cited is that the jobs do
not pay
>well enough. But the illegals are willing to work for half or
less for
>the same job.
>Further, of course, it is easier for
Americans to find a better paying
>job given some time.
>This may
not apply to the Assamese situation, but
>
>IMHO, the Assamese in
general, have never had to work like illegal
>B'deshis because they
simply did not have to. Human nature is such,
>that if there is a need,
people will do what is required. Probably,
>there may still be some jobs
available that pay better than pulling
>rickshaws, or the returns are
betters for less labor.
>
>--Ram
da.
>
>
>
>On 5/23/05, Chan Mahanta
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Mridul:
>
>
> >
> > I will give you a little time to go over your
evidence, mull over it, and
> > see if you would like to make any
corrections or amendments to your
> > judgement, before I explain
things for you.
> >
> > And if other netters want to pitch
in too, they are welcome.
> >
> > c-da :-)
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> >
> >
> > At 5:54 PM +0530 5/23/05, mridul
bhuyan wrote:
> > Dear Chan Da,
> > You can definitely take
me on. :-). I will not mind. But am I wrong in
> > saying that
Assamese people are the laziest of all? Let's take an example
> >
from our part of Assam.
> > How many times in a year, our people
indulge in farming? Only once in a
> > year. Does they try their hand
on growing vegetables? Except some
> > vegetables, which doesn't
require much labour, they'll never lay their hands
> > on even if
they have enough land. In our part of Assam, each family (I am
> >
talking about villages) has an average of two 'pura' of land. Do they
>
> utilise their land fully, compared to Bihar, UP, Punjab & Haryana. In
these
> > states of India, they do two or three crops simultaneously.
In our part of
> > Assam, do they ever think of doing that inspite of
being not so well off.
> > What's this that is preventing them from
trying their hands inspite of
> > having all the resources in
abundance? Even the weather God is also in
> > favour of them
compared to other states.
> > Next one. Suppose an assamese youth is
offered two jobs. One with a salary
> > of Rs.20,000/- in Delhi and
another with Rs.10,000/- in Assam considering
> > all other
conditions same. Which job will he take up? I bet he'll stay back
> >
in Assam and content with it instead of venturing into Delhi. This is what
I
> > have seen in case of some of my friends. They got good offers
in Delhi.
> > Instead they preferrred to stay back in Assam. Why?
What will you call them?
> > In our part of Assam have you ever seen
a rickshaw puller or a barber or a
> > cobbler, who is an Assamese.
Now the question can they handle such jobs?
> > Yes, they can. But,
they'll never do it. May be its, their self-esteem,
> > laziness,
whatever it may be.
> >
> > I'll tell you a personal story.
My father is the middle one among the five
> > brothers. Out of the
five, four are working outside and settled in some
> > other places.
So, about ten 'pura' of land is owned by the second brother.
> > Now,
he is no more in this world. He had only one son. Now, he is looking
>
> after all this 'ten' pura of land. Being in Sibsagar, my father used to
hire
> > some labourers also to help him during the crops. Now, with
this plot of
> > land my grandfather used to generate enough money to
cater to his family of
> > about 15/20 persons. But now his worthy
grandson, can't even manage his
> > family of four with this plot of
land. He too works very hard (?) from 7'o
> > clock in the morning
till 10 o'clock in the morning. All the long three
> > hours in a
single day. (I saw our uncles getting up at 3 o'clock in the
> >
night and work till 11 o'clock and again in the eveing for 3/4 hours.)
What
> > will you call him? He manages to find time to come to
Sibsagar to enjoy
> > movies, but not enough time atleast to utilise
the labourers, engaged to
> > help him.
> > These are very
few examples, I have seen in my own family and friends. I'll
> >
write about more if I can find some time. I am waiting to hear your part
of
> > reasoning. :-)
> >
> > Regard
> >
Mridul
> >
> >
> > >From: Chan Mahanta
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: Ram Sarangapani
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, mridul
bhuyan
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >CC:
assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu
> > >Subject: Re: [Assam] Rickshaw
pullers, labourers go missing - IANS
> > >Date: Sat, 21 May 2005
11:20:29 -0500
> > >
> > >>fact that Asssamese
people are one of laziest of all in the
> >
>>> country excepting some people from lower
Assam.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>The only reason I did not take Mridul on on this is because he is
>
> >from my neck of the woods :-).
> > >
> > >I
have beaten up enough of my own.
> > >
> > >>But if
Mridul wants to take it on, I can and would certainly engage
> >
>>him, or anybody else.
> > >
> > >
> >
>Would you Mridul, like to explain how you came up with your
> >
>conclusion that
> > >
> > >
> >
>>"--that Asssamese people are one of laziest of all in the
> >
>>> country excepting some people from lower
Assam.
> > >
> > >
> > >?. Is it something
that you concluded from your close personal
> > >observation,
experiences, etc. etc.? I don't like to demand
> > >statistical
data, but you are welcome to cite them if you choose to.
> >
>
> > >And do you consider yourself an Assamese and thus lazy?
If not how
> > >did you escape from this Assamese malady?
>
> >
> > >c-da :-)
> > >
> >
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> > >
> > >At 10:44 AM -0500 5/21/05, Ram
Sarangapani wrote:
> > >> > I think this is a
challenge to the people of Assam how they
> > >>face
it,
> > >> > considering the fact that Asssamese
people are one of laziest
> > >>of all in the
> >
>>> country excepting some people from lower
Assam.
> > >>
> > >>Heh! heh! heh! Mridul, you
have to be careful here. There are many
> > >>netters who are
allergic to statements like this. Barua (Rajen
> >
>>Barua)
> > >>tried this once or twice and was roundly
beaten on the head by
> > >>some. I
> > >>think
the word he uses is 'leketa' :-) :-)
> > >>
> >
>>
> > >>I agree with you that this Manch movement in
Dibrugarh should also
> > >>encourage the unemployed to fill in
the gaps left by fleeing
> > >>B'deshis.
> >
>>Ultimately, the work that these B'deshis were doing must be done
-
> > >>pulling rickshaws, maid service, or as a brick layer.
If no one is
> > >>willing to take up those jobs, then B'deshis
or maybe Biharis will
> > >>come in again.
> >
>>
> > >>This is a similar problem in the US , specially
in Texas,
> > >>Califorinia,
> > >>Arizona.
People don't want Mexican illegals to come in. But they
> >
>>do,
> > >>inspite of all the money and advanced
technology the US has, they
> > >>come
> > >>in
by the millions.
> > >>
> > >>And why is that
possible? The simple reason is Americans are
> >
>>unwilling
> > >>( at those low wage rates) to take up
jobs that illegals usually do
> > >>-
> > >>in
argiculture, mowing the lawn, and a great number in home
> >
>>building.
> > >>Home builders build, at a time 300-500
homes, and they can keep the
> > >>price of homes reasonable,
only because they hire many illegals at
> > >>low
> >
>>rates.
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>>
> > >>
> > >>On 5/21/05, mridul bhuyan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>>
> >
>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I
think this is a challenge to the people of Assam how they face
> >
>>>it,
> > >>> considering the fact that
Asssamese people are one of laziest of
> > >>>all in
the
> > >>> country excepting some people from
lower Assam. I don't see any
> > >>>dearth of
> >
>>> people to fill up these jobs, only if the people are
willing.
> > >>>Regarding the
> >
>>> largescale exodus, I don't think anybody is taking law
in its
> > >>>own hand.
> > >>>
>
> >>> "Just because they speak the Bengali language,
practice a
> > >>>particular
> >
>>> >religious faith, and resemble Bangladeshis, you
cannot dub them
> > >>>as
> >
>>> >foreigners," said Chandan Sarkar, a ruling
Congress party
> > >>>legislator
> >
>>> >in Assam.
> > >>>
> >
>>>
> > >>> Who are you Mr.Sarkar ?
Where do you belong to? Abhayapuri?
> > >>>Really? The
less
> > >>> you reply and less you say is better
for you.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
>>> Mridul Bhuyan
> > >>>
> >
>>>
> > >>> >From: Ram Sarangapani
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>> >Reply-To:
Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
>>> >To: Assam <assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu>
>
> >>> >Subject: [Assam] Rickshaw pullers, labourers
go missing - IANS
> > >>> >Date: Fri, 20 May
2005 09:27:30 -0500
> > >>>
> >
>>> >
> > >>> >Rickshaw
pullers, labourers go missing in Assam:-
> >
>>> >Guwahati | May 20, 2005 2:43:42 PM IST
>
> >>> >
> >
>>> >
> >
>>> >Guwahati, May 20 : Until just the other day,
streets across
> > >>>Assam were
> >
>>> >crowded with cycle rickshaws and there was no
dearth of workers
> > >>>for
> >
>>> >construction companies and road
contractors.
> > >>> >
> >
>>> >But today commuters in many Assamese cities and
towns are
> > >>>stranded
> >
>>> >with rickshaw pullers doing the vanishing trick,
while
> > >>>contractors
> >
>>> >find their regular workforce virtually missing
from their
> > >>>sites.
> >
>> > >
> > >>> >The
sudden disappearance of rickshaw pullers and other workers
> >
>>>is a
> > >>> >direct fallout of
the recent controversy in Assam over hounding
> >
>>>of
> > >>> >illegal Bangladeshi
migrants from the state.
> > >>> >
>
> >>> >"Until Wednesday we had up to a hundred
workers, but all of
> > >>>sudden we
> >
>>> >find that the entire workforce has simply
vanished. We do not
> > >>>know
> >
>>> >where they disappeared," said Mukul Das, a road
contractor.
> > >>> >
> >
>>> >Thousands of Bengali speaking workers were engaged
by local
> > >>> >contractors in brick kilns,
road and building construction
> > >>>works. A
> >
>>> >large number also pulled rickshaws.
> >
>>> >
> > >>> >While
some say these workers are illegal Bangladeshi migrants,
> >
>>>others
> > >>> >dismiss such
charges.
> > >>> >
> >
>>> >"Just because they speak the Bengali language,
practice a
> > >>>particular
> >
>>> >religious faith, and resemble Bangladeshis, you
cannot dub them
> > >>>as
> >
>>> >foreigners," said Chandan Sarkar, a ruling
Congress party
> > >>>legislator
> >
>>> >in Assam.
> >
>>> >
> > >>> >During
the past fortnight, thousands of Bengali speaking
> >
>>>workers have
> > >>> >been fleeing
several cities after an unidentified group began
> >
>>> >distributing leaflets asking them to leave or face
action.
> > >>> >
> >
>>> >The group has been sending messages through mobile
telephones
> > >>>and
> >
>>> >distributing fliers asking locals not to employ
"illegal
> > >>>foreigners".
> >
>>> >
> > >>> >"I have
met people who had fled their workplaces out of fear
> >
>>>and
> > >>> >panic. But many of
them that I met were genuine Indian citizens
> > >>>that
I
> > >>> >had known since decades," another
Congress party leader said.
> > >>> >
>
> >>> >The issue has taken a political turn with the
Assam government
> > >>> >accusing the
Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and the Rastriya
> >
>>>Swayamsevak
> > >>> >Sangh (RSS)
of trying to foment communal riots in the state.
> >
>>> >
> > >>> >The
issue assumes immense political ramifications in a state
> >
>>>where
> > >>> >minority Muslim
votes have always been the deciding factor in
> >
>>>any
> > >>> >state elections.
Muslims account for about 30 percent of
> > >>>Assam's
26
> > >>> >million people.
> >
>>> >
> > >>> >With
assembly elections scheduled for early next year, the
> >
>>>Congress
> > >>> >party is trying
its best to keep its traditional Muslim vote
> >
>>>bank
> > >>> >intact by taking a
strident posture on the issue.
> >
>>> >
> > >>> >"We do
not want any foreigners in our state, but we cannot
> >
>>>allow
> > >>> >anybody to take law
in their hands to detect and deport illegal
> >
>>> >Bangladeshis," Assam Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi
told IANS.
> > >>> >
> >
>>> >Assam shares a 272 km border with Bangladesh, a
vast stretch
> > >>>remaining
> >
>>> >unfenced with allegations that large-scale
infiltration from
> > >>>across
> >
>>> >the border was threatening the region's
demographic profile.
> > >>> >
> >
>>> >Dhaka denies charges of illegal infiltration of
their citizens
> > >>>into India.
> >
>>> >
> >
>>> >(IANS)
> >
>>> >
> >
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