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The truth is I agree
with Mridul. Assamese are lazy as in Dhwd, plain and simple. And they
also cry a lot with both ends. There is no other truth or philosophy behind it
unless you have any other explanations you can come up with.
I however fully agree that Dhwds also can
be utilized to build super highways and bridges with proper leadership (to
be born out of the Dhwds themselves). At least we have our history on
our side. The Ahoms built the famous Dhwdor Ali in Upper Assam by
utilizing super Dhwds like Pi-Pu and Pi-Xu as supervisors.
The Ahoms knew the trick. The British did
not. Failing to utilize the Dhwds, the British had to immigrate
laborers from outside Orissa to work in the Tea Gardens.
I believe in the axiom that "A Dhwd today,
may be a Lachit tomorrow".
The trick is "monisalor guti", I
mean local kharkhwa NGOs.
Rajen
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Rickshaw pullers,
labourers go missing - IANS
Are you
suggesting Assamese in Upper Assam are lazy?
Tse Tse
Shame on you.
You have
not understood the problem at all. I think it is the system which is
responsible.
Wait for
Chandan. He will explain things to you.
Rajen
Barua
*** I know you will be agitated by my explanations here. So why don't
you, with your philosophical proclivities and democratic devotions, explain it
? Willingly, I am giving you the first right to establish the TRUTH . So go at
it. Don't disappoint us with silence though.
c :-)
At 7:47 AM -0500 5/24/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
But in Upper Assam, the
scenario is completely opposite. Specially in the villages, ther are
hundreds of young people sitting idle running after
politicians for a job as a teacher, at a monthly stipend of Rs.1000/-pm
even by paying bribes to the tune of Rs.50,000/-
Are you
suggesting Assamese in Upper Assam are lazy?
Tse Tse
Shame on you.
You have
not understood the problem at all. I think it is the system which is
responsible.
Wait for
Chandan. He will explain things to you.
Rajen
Barua
----- Original Message -----
From: mridul
bhuyan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Rickshaw pullers, labourers go
missing - IANS
One of the
things I notice with Americans (not taking jobs
that illegal Mexicans
do) is that they too are not willing to do menial
jobs that a many
illegals do. One big reason often cited is that the
jobs do not pay
well enough. But the illegals are willing to work for
half or less for
the same job.
Further, of course, it is easier for
Americans to find a better paying
job given some time.
This may not
apply to the Assamese situation,
You are right.
>IMHO, the
Assamese in general, have never had to work like illegal
>B'deshis
because they simply did not have to. Human nature is such,
>that if
there is a need, people will do what is required. Probably,
>there
may still be some jobs available that pay better than
pulling
>rickshaws, or the returns are betters for less
labor.
but Ram, have you been to Lower Assam,
specially Nalbari, Tihu.... etc. There I have seen assamese people doing
all kinds of jobs and I admit that they are hardworking too, which I have
mentioned in my earlier message. But in Upper Assam, the scenario is
completely opposite. Specially in the villages, ther are hundreds of young
people sitting idle running after politicians for a job as a
teacher, at a monthly stipend of Rs.1000/-pm even by paying bribes to the
tune of Rs.50,000/-. Instead, If atleast, they've tried their hands
to grow the vegetables for their own consumption (forget about
selling), they would have better off. In our home in my ancestoral
village, they also buy vegetables just like us. Now some enterprising boys
have started tea plantation in govt. lands and are earning good money. The
scenario is changing. No doubt about that.
regards
Mridul
Bhuyan
>From: Ram Sarangapani
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Ram Sarangapani
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Chan Mahanta
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: mridul bhuyan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu
>Subject:
Re: [Assam] Rickshaw pullers, labourers go missing - IANS
>Date:
Mon, 23 May 2005 12:50:16 -0500
>
>Hi Mridul
>
>
> I will give you a little time to go over your evidence, mull over it,
and
> > see if you would like to make any corrections or
amendments to your
> > judgement, before I explain things for
you.
>
>I am sorry to pull you into this vortex of C'da's
design. He is giving
>you enough rope so that you could hang
yourself , inspite of he being
>from the same neck of the woods
:-)
>
>Sorry C'da, just couldn't resist it. :-):-)
>
>But, seriously, Mridul, you do make some very good
points. One of the
>things I notice with Americans (not taking jobs
that illegal Mexicans
>do) is that they too are not willing to do
menial jobs that a many
>illegals do. One big reason often cited is
that the jobs do not pay
>well enough. But the illegals are willing
to work for half or less for
>the same job.
>Further, of
course, it is easier for Americans to find a better paying
>job
given some time.
>This may not apply to the Assamese situation,
but
>
>IMHO, the Assamese in general, have never had to work
like illegal
>B'deshis because they simply did not have to. Human
nature is such,
>that if there is a need, people will do what is
required. Probably,
>there may still be some jobs available that pay
better than pulling
>rickshaws, or the returns are betters for less
labor.
>
>--Ram da.
>
>
>
>On 5/23/05,
Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi
Mridul:
> >
> >
> > I will give you a little
time to go over your evidence, mull over it, and
> > see if you
would like to make any corrections or amendments to your
> >
judgement, before I explain things for you.
> >
> > And
if other netters want to pitch in too, they are welcome.
>
>
> > c-da :-)
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> > At 5:54 PM +0530 5/23/05, mridul bhuyan wrote:
>
> Dear Chan Da,
> > You can definitely take me on. :-). I will
not mind. But am I wrong in
> > saying that Assamese people are
the laziest of all? Let's take an example
> > from our part of
Assam.
> > How many times in a year, our people indulge in
farming? Only once in a
> > year. Does they try their hand on
growing vegetables? Except some
> > vegetables, which doesn't
require much labour, they'll never lay their hands
> > on even if
they have enough land. In our part of Assam, each family (I am
>
> talking about villages) has an average of two 'pura' of land. Do
they
> > utilise their land fully, compared to Bihar, UP, Punjab
& Haryana. In these
> > states of India, they do two or three
crops simultaneously. In our part of
> > Assam, do they ever
think of doing that inspite of being not so well off.
> > What's
this that is preventing them from trying their hands inspite of
>
> having all the resources in abundance? Even the weather God is also
in
> > favour of them compared to other states.
> > Next
one. Suppose an assamese youth is offered two jobs. One with a
salary
> > of Rs.20,000/- in Delhi and another with Rs.10,000/-
in Assam considering
> > all other conditions same. Which job
will he take up? I bet he'll stay back
> > in Assam and content
with it instead of venturing into Delhi. This is what I
> > have
seen in case of some of my friends. They got good offers in Delhi.
>
> Instead they preferrred to stay back in Assam. Why? What will you
call them?
> > In our part of Assam have you ever seen a rickshaw
puller or a barber or a
> > cobbler, who is an Assamese. Now the
question can they handle such jobs?
> > Yes, they can. But,
they'll never do it. May be its, their self-esteem,
> > laziness,
whatever it may be.
> >
> > I'll tell you a personal
story. My father is the middle one among the five
> > brothers.
Out of the five, four are working outside and settled in some
> >
other places. So, about ten 'pura' of land is owned by the second
brother.
> > Now, he is no more in this world. He had only one
son. Now, he is looking
> > after all this 'ten' pura of land.
Being in Sibsagar, my father used to hire
> > some labourers also
to help him during the crops. Now, with this plot of
> > land my
grandfather used to generate enough money to cater to his family
of
> > about 15/20 persons. But now his worthy grandson, can't
even manage his
> > family of four with this plot of land. He too
works very hard (?) from 7'o
> > clock in the morning till 10
o'clock in the morning. All the long three
> > hours in a single
day. (I saw our uncles getting up at 3 o'clock in the
> > night
and work till 11 o'clock and again in the eveing for 3/4 hours.)
What
> > will you call him? He manages to find time to come to
Sibsagar to enjoy
> > movies, but not enough time atleast to
utilise the labourers, engaged to
> > help him.
> > These are very few examples,
I have seen in my own family and friends. I'll
> > write about
more if I can find some time. I am waiting to hear your part of
>
> reasoning. :-)
> >
> > Regard
> >
Mridul
> >
> >
> > >From: Chan Mahanta
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: Ram Sarangapani
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, mridul
bhuyan
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >CC:
assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu
> > >Subject: Re: [Assam] Rickshaw
pullers, labourers go missing - IANS
> > >Date: Sat, 21 May
2005 11:20:29 -0500
> > >
> > >>fact that
Asssamese people are one of laziest of all in the
> >
>>> country excepting some people from lower
Assam.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>The only reason I did not take Mridul on on this is because he
is
> > >from my neck of the woods :-).
> >
>
> > >I have beaten up enough of my own.
> >
>
> > >>But if Mridul wants to take it on, I can and
would certainly engage
> > >>him, or anybody else.
>
> >
> > >
> > >Would you Mridul, like to
explain how you came up with your
> > >conclusion that
>
> >
> > >
> > >>"--that Asssamese people
are one of laziest of all in the
> >
>>> country excepting some people from lower
Assam.
> > >
> > >
> > >?. Is it
something that you concluded from your close personal
> >
>observation, experiences, etc. etc.? I don't like to demand
>
> >statistical data, but you are welcome to cite them if you choose
to.
> > >
> > >And do you consider yourself an
Assamese and thus lazy? If not how
> > >did you escape from
this Assamese malady?
> > >
> > >c-da :-)
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 10:44 AM
-0500 5/21/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
> >
>> > I think this is a challenge to the people of
Assam how they
> > >>face it,
> >
>> > considering the fact that Asssamese people are
one of laziest
> > >>of all in the
> >
>>> country excepting some people from lower
Assam.
> > >>
> > >>Heh! heh! heh! Mridul,
you have to be careful here. There are many
> > >>netters
who are allergic to statements like this. Barua (Rajen
> >
>>Barua)
> > >>tried this once or twice and was
roundly beaten on the head by
> > >>some. I
> >
>>think the word he uses is 'leketa' :-) :-)
> >
>>
> > >>
> > >>I agree with you that
this Manch movement in Dibrugarh should also
> >
>>encourage the unemployed to fill in the gaps left by
fleeing
> > >>B'deshis.
> > >>Ultimately,
the work that these B'deshis were doing must be done -
> >
>>pulling rickshaws, maid service, or as a brick layer. If no one
is
> > >>willing to take up those jobs, then B'deshis or
maybe Biharis will
> > >>come in again.
> >
>>
> > >>This is a similar problem in the US ,
specially in Texas,
> > >>Califorinia,
> >
>>Arizona. People don't want Mexican illegals to come in. But
they
> > >>do,
> > >>inspite of all the
money and advanced technology the US has, they
> >
>>come
> > >>in by the millions.
> >
>>
> > >>And why is that possible? The simple reason
is Americans are
> > >>unwilling
> > >>( at
those low wage rates) to take up jobs that illegals usually do
>
> >>-
> > >>in argiculture, mowing the lawn, and a
great number in home
> > >>building.
> >
>>Home builders build, at a time 300-500 homes, and they can keep
the
> > >>price of homes reasonable, only because they hire
many illegals at
> > >>low
> >
>>rates.
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>>
> > >>
> > >>On 5/21/05, mridul
bhuyan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
>
> >>> I think this is a challenge to the people of
Assam how they face
> > >>>it,
> >
>>> considering the fact that Asssamese people are one
of laziest of
> > >>>all in the
> >
>>> country excepting some people from lower Assam. I
don't see any
> > >>>dearth of
> >
>>> people to fill up these jobs, only if the people
are willing.
> > >>>Regarding the
> >
>>> largescale exodus, I don't think anybody is taking
law in its
> > >>>own hand.
> >
>>>
> > >>> "Just because they speak
the Bengali language, practice a
> >
>>>particular
> > >>> >religious
faith, and resemble Bangladeshis, you cannot dub them
> >
>>>as
> > >>> >foreigners," said
Chandan Sarkar, a ruling Congress party
> > >>>legislator
> >
>>> >in Assam.
> > >>>
>
> >>>
> > >>> Who are you
Mr.Sarkar ? Where do you belong to? Abhayapuri?
> >
>>>Really? The less
> > >>> you
reply and less you say is better for you.
> >
>>>
> > >>>
> >
>>> Mridul Bhuyan
> > >>>
>
> >>>
> > >>> >From: Ram
Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
>>> >Reply-To: Ram Sarangapani
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>> >To:
Assam <assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu>
> >
>>> >Subject: [Assam] Rickshaw pullers, labourers
go missing - IANS
> > >>> >Date: Fri, 20
May 2005 09:27:30 -0500
> > >>>
> >
>>> >
> >
>>> >Rickshaw pullers, labourers go missing in
Assam:-
> > >>> >Guwahati | May 20, 2005
2:43:42 PM IST
> > >>> >
> >
>>> >
> >
>>> >Guwahati, May 20 : Until just the other day,
streets across
> > >>>Assam were
> >
>>> >crowded with cycle rickshaws and there was no
dearth of workers
> > >>>for
> >
>>> >construction companies and road
contractors.
> > >>> >
> >
>>> >But today commuters in many Assamese cities
and towns are
> > >>>stranded
> >
>>> >with rickshaw pullers doing the vanishing
trick, while
> > >>>contractors
> >
>>> >find their regular workforce virtually missing
from their
> > >>>sites.
> >
>> > >
> > >>> >The
sudden disappearance of rickshaw pullers and other workers
> >
>>>is a
> > >>> >direct fallout
of the recent controversy in Assam over hounding
> >
>>>of
> > >>> >illegal
Bangladeshi migrants from the state.
> >
>>> >
> >
>>> >"Until Wednesday we had up to a hundred
workers, but all of
> > >>>sudden we
> >
>>> >find that the entire workforce has simply
vanished. We do not
> > >>>know
> >
>>> >where they disappeared," said Mukul Das, a
road contractor.
> > >>> >
> >
>>> >Thousands of Bengali speaking workers were
engaged by local
> > >>> >contractors in
brick kilns, road and building construction
> >
>>>works. A
> > >>> >large number
also pulled rickshaws.
> > >>> >
>
> >>> >While some say these workers are illegal
Bangladeshi migrants,
> > >>>others
> >
>>> >dismiss such charges.
> >
>>> >
> >
>>> >"Just because they speak the Bengali language,
practice a
> > >>>particular
> >
>>> >religious faith, and resemble Bangladeshis,
you cannot dub them
> > >>>as
> >
>>> >foreigners," said Chandan Sarkar, a ruling
Congress party
> > >>>legislator
> >
>>> >in Assam.
> >
>>> >
> >
>>> >During the past fortnight, thousands of
Bengali speaking
> > >>>workers have
> >
>>> >been fleeing several cities after an
unidentified group began
> >
>>> >distributing leaflets asking them to leave or
face action.
> > >>> >
> >
>>> >The group has been sending messages through
mobile telephones
> > >>>and
> >
>>> >distributing fliers asking locals not to
employ "illegal
> > >>>foreigners".
> >
>>> >
> > >>> >"I
have met people who had fled their workplaces out of fear
> >
>>>and
> > >>> >panic. But many
of them that I met were genuine Indian citizens
> >
>>>that I
> > >>> >had known
since decades," another Congress party leader said.
> >
>>> >
> > >>> >The
issue has taken a political turn with the Assam government
> >
>>> >accusing the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and
the Rastriya
> > >>>Swayamsevak
> >
>>> >Sangh (RSS) of trying to foment communal riots
in the state.
> > >>> >
> >
>>> >The issue assumes immense political
ramifications in a state
> > >>>where
> >
>>> >minority Muslim votes have always been the
deciding factor in
> > >>>any
> >
>>> >state elections. Muslims account for about 30
percent of
> > >>>Assam's 26
> >
>>> >million people.
> >
>>> >
> > >>> >With
assembly elections scheduled for early next year, the
> >
>>>Congress
> > >>> >party is
trying its best to keep its traditional Muslim vote
> >
>>>bank
> > >>> >intact by taking
a strident posture on the issue.
> >
>>> >
> > >>> >"We
do not want any foreigners in our state, but we cannot
> >
>>>allow
> > >>> >anybody to take
law in their hands to detect and deport illegal
> >
>>> >Bangladeshis," Assam Chief Minister Tarun
Gogoi told IANS.
> > >>> >
> >
>>> >Assam shares a 272 km border with Bangladesh,
a vast stretch
> > >>>remaining
> >
>>> >unfenced with allegations that large-scale
infiltration from
> > >>>across
> >
>>> >the border was threatening the region's
demographic profile.
> > >>> >
>
> >>> >Dhaka denies charges of illegal
infiltration of their citizens
> > >>>into
India.
> > >>> >
> >
>>> >(IANS)
> >
>>> >
> >
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