You wrote 15 and up -- but 15 and up to where?  20khz?  In that case,
all your friend did was turn up the volume by 20db and everything
stayed linear.  I don't think you understand.  It matters, and it
matters a great deal, if someone raises a particular range.  If you
boost the entire spectrum, that's called turning up the volume. 
Basically, you didn't answer my question. And, if that WAS your answer,
then you don't understand the situation.

I'm not going to go into this.  I have a mere doctorate degree in
history and physics, I'm married to a physician, I managed an
experimental psychology journal for three years whilst in graduate
school, so I think I know what I'm talking about.  I beg of you, go ask
someone with technical knowledge. Not audio hobby knowledge -- medical
and psychological knowledge.

Again, why did the knowlegeable audiophiles think a CD player sounded
different with a pizza box support on top of it?  Because of the power
of suggestion.  Same ears, same SOUND, but two different results.  Why
is it that some audiophiles could claim with certaintly that a $1,000
power cord made a difference...but were then not able to score better
than 50% -- the flip of a coin -- in distinguising a walwart cord from
a $1,000 cord in a double blind test?  Think about these things.

People's ears aren't warmer or leaner or whatever, anymore than we see
different colors.  It's like this: a sound wave hits your ear; the
signal is 50 cycles; that's what you process.  Period.  You see a shade
of yellow.  You're seeing a certain frequency, period.  I don't see the
yellow differently than you (unless I have a serious condition, and
that is possible.  Note bene: Van Gogh; but he just say more of a
certain thing).  However, you might LIKE certain sound characteristics
more than others.  Understand? It's taste, cultural and social
situation, etc.  I have a friend who swears by beveling CDs, painting
the edges black, etc.  It is complete bunk.  I can't hear a thing,
there's no reason why I should hear anything, and no one else can,
either.  But he's way into it and swears he does.  I believe him. 
Psychology is like that.

But, you know better.  I don't appreciate the rude post, by the way,
but I think it is funny that you weren't able to answer a very simple
question.  I think I phrased it politely and gave specific parameters
for a reply.  Basically, you just said that your pal turned up the
volume.  A lot.  So, think again: what frequency range?  What slope, or
was it a mind-bogglying silly straight shelf?  Was he using an EQ device
or just a volume knob?  And, what music was he listening to that had
information below 20hz?  You do know that CDs cut off at 20hz, right? 
So, no matter how hard he tried, he could do nothing -- nothing --
below that range?  In which case, why was he bothering?  And, while
you're at it...you do realize that the vast majority of EQ units do not
go down to 15hz?  Right?  Because we can't hear that stuff and it isn't
really present in our music?  

Something to think about.

Then again, you are right, as you say, so maybe you shouldn't bother
thinking.

95bcwh;143945 Wrote: 
> What you are saying is, everyone has the same ear and hear exactly the
> same thing, the only difference is their "taste".
> 
> 
> What I'm saying is, everyone has a different ear AND a different taste,
> they do NOT hear exactly the same thing, and they do not like exactly
> the same thing. I have listened enough, and listened to the same thing
> with different people on countless occasions, I know that I am right. 
> 
> Anyway, thanks for your detailed lecture, but read my post again, I
> wrote "15kHz" and up..


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