Isn't a proposed gliding site also meant to be approved by an RTO Ops?
Mike


> On 30 Jan 2017, at 10:57 AM, Mark Newton <new...@atdot.dotat.org> wrote:
> 
> Independent ops ratings are issued by club CFIs.
> 
> They require clubs to have training panels and chief flying instructors, 
> which is the absolute opposite of what Al was asking about.
> 
> It remains impossible in the GFA system for a bunch of qualified pilots who 
> aren’t gliding club members to form a syndicate for a glider which they can 
> operate under their own recognizance. 
> 
> It is possible in literally every other form of Aviation in Australia. In 
> most forms of aviation, it’s the only way to form a syndicate.
> 
>   - mark
> 
> 
>> On Jan 30, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Richard Frawley <rjfraw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thats what the GPC is…..have you not been exposed to that by your club?
>> 
>> Anyone can buy a self launcher and with the right Independant Ops rating you 
>> can fly it without anyone else needed.
>> 
>> I strongly suspect that as self launch electrics in particular become more 
>> common (see GPGliders.com - GP15 as what is now possible), independent 
>> operations will become far more common (or group independent….go flying with 
>> a few mates anywhere).
>> 
>> I also suspect that this will be be the long term future of the sport (say 
>> 15 - 20 years from now).
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>>> On 30 Jan 2017, at 1:20 pm, Al Borowski <al.borow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 30/01/2017, Richard Frawley <rjfraw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> i assume most people know that gliding requires a minimum membership size 
>>>> to
>>>> keep the cost and freedoms we enjoy possible.
>>>> 
>>>> if you have not noticed we are actually under the minimum membership for
>>>> sustainability.
>>>> 
>>>> This is a problem anyone who wants reasonable continuance needs to own and
>>>> assist with.
>>> 
>>> I haven't checked in a few years, is it still impossible for a few
>>> likeminded qualified pilots to form their own informal "club", buy a
>>> 2nd hand glider and just fly it & pay to get it maintained, without
>>> needing to bother with setting up a formal club with instructors etc
>>> (unlike almost every other sport in existence)?
>>> 
>>> Is it still impossible to buy a motorglider and fly it like an RAA or
>>> PPL would fly their power plane?
>>> 
>>> The GFA club model always struck me as missing a "qualified pilot"
>>> rank between "Student" and "Instructor" - which is weird as it should
>>> be the biggest group.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Al
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