Independent ops ratings are issued by club CFIs.

They require clubs to have training panels and chief flying instructors, which 
is the absolute opposite of what Al was asking about.

It remains impossible in the GFA system for a bunch of qualified pilots who 
aren’t gliding club members to form a syndicate for a glider which they can 
operate under their own recognizance. 

It is possible in literally every other form of Aviation in Australia. In most 
forms of aviation, it’s the only way to form a syndicate.

  - mark


> On Jan 30, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Richard Frawley <rjfraw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thats what the GPC is…..have you not been exposed to that by your club?
> 
> Anyone can buy a self launcher and with the right Independant Ops rating you 
> can fly it without anyone else needed.
> 
> I strongly suspect that as self launch electrics in particular become more 
> common (see GPGliders.com - GP15 as what is now possible), independent 
> operations will become far more common (or group independent….go flying with 
> a few mates anywhere).
> 
> I also suspect that this will be be the long term future of the sport (say 15 
> - 20 years from now).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 30 Jan 2017, at 1:20 pm, Al Borowski <al.borow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On 30/01/2017, Richard Frawley <rjfraw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> i assume most people know that gliding requires a minimum membership size to
>>> keep the cost and freedoms we enjoy possible.
>>> 
>>> if you have not noticed we are actually under the minimum membership for
>>> sustainability.
>>> 
>>> This is a problem anyone who wants reasonable continuance needs to own and
>>> assist with.
>> 
>> I haven't checked in a few years, is it still impossible for a few
>> likeminded qualified pilots to form their own informal "club", buy a
>> 2nd hand glider and just fly it & pay to get it maintained, without
>> needing to bother with setting up a formal club with instructors etc
>> (unlike almost every other sport in existence)?
>> 
>> Is it still impossible to buy a motorglider and fly it like an RAA or
>> PPL would fly their power plane?
>> 
>> The GFA club model always struck me as missing a "qualified pilot"
>> rank between "Student" and "Instructor" - which is weird as it should
>> be the biggest group.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Al
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