+1000 to the game plan :)
-- dims
On 5/9/06, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 09:46 -0700, Tom Jordahl wrote:
> "I know it when I see it" β and Spring is over the line. J
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> How many Axis2 users will use Spring? Hard to say, but I am betting
> that <1% of users are using it right now.
I agree with Tom- we shouldn't let a few (albeit vociferous) folks drive
the requirements. I personally haven't seen many people screaming for
Spring on our lists so far; have you?
I'd prefer to focus on some of the items we are indeed getting hammered
broadly on:
- make sure the POJO case works as well as it possibly can (and
competitively with other highly rated stacks in that space as XFire)
- get ADB to handle stuff like what Simon does
- make unwrapping work (which would address many of Simon's issues IMO)
- put some shortcuts to make the simple case much simpler
- improve docs
If we make progress on those I think that's good reason for a 1.1
release. Folks like the bile blogger [1] will always have stuff to
complain about; there's no point in harping on such points:
"You can satisfy some of the people some of the time, some of
the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time.
But never all of the people all of the time."
Sanjiva.
[1] http://jroller.com/page/fate?entry=axis2_why_bother
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> I am happy to have 'extra' code in axis2.jar that supports lots of
> other technologies. That isn't a steep price to pay. But if I am
> using the 'basics' β SOAP processing, the Axis Data Binding, WSDL
> generation, maybe WS-Addressing β I should have a small list of jars
> that I need to run (whether the list is small right now is probably
> another discussion).
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> Doesn't that sound right?
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> P.S. I am only dimly aware of Spring, I don't even know what it really
> does without a Google search, so I have nothing against Spring itself.
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> Tom Jordahl
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> Adobe ColdFusion Team
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> ______________________________________________________________________
> From: robert lazarski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 12:16 PM
> To: axis-dev@ws.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [axis2] Spring Support
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> Sure, I understand - that's why I proposed bringing back the
> extensions directory. The problem is, however, where do you draw the
> line?
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> Robert
> http://www.braziloutsource.com/
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> On 5/9/06, Tom Jordahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
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> I don't use Spring, so don't make me carry the spring jar file around
> with Axis2 when I don't use itβ¦
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> Tom Jordahl
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> Adobe ColdFusion Team
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> ______________________________________________________________________
> From: Rajith Attapattu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 11:48 AM
> To: axis-dev@ws.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [axis2] Spring Support
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> Robert,
>
> Ok, good then as a starting point we can use your code base as you
> have already done some work on pauls stuff.
> Yes the 2MB depency does concerns me as well. But it looks like a lot
> of developers are using spring so it might not be that much of an
> issue considering the fanfare we see out there for spring.
>
> How about pulling put the common code and refactoring the Message
> Receivers? or you want to wait till u check in the stuff and then look
> at it?
>
> I am not sure about Data binding as well and hopefuly somebody will
> fill in the gap here.
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> Regards,
>
> Rajith
>
> On 5/8/06, robert lazarski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I've been using Spring with axis2 since .92, although in a way not
> everybody seems to like.
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> I'm working a lot on adding Spring support via a Message Reciever, but
> wanted to wait till post 1.0 . . I've mostly got it working. I'm
> basing this work of of paul's work he did last july though some things
> cleary won't work today as they were coded back then. I'm hoping to
> have something ready to commit this week, of course after discussions
> on the list. I still need to do the junit tests and work out how
> spring does annotations.
>
> This is good time to lay out the issues:
>
> 1) Spring is licensed under apache 2.0 .
> 2) Its yet another dependancy, the main spring.jar being about 2
> megs.
> 3) We had an extensions directory, and this may be a good time to
> bring it back.
> 4) I'm unsure how to integrate a spring message reciever with
> databinding. Databinding at least for me is a critical factor.
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> Robert
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> On 5/8/06, Rajith Attapattu <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
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> Dims,
>
> Thats true, we cannot and should not try to satisfy everybody.
> Most people are looking for a magic wand that will create there code
> with minimum effort as possible.
>
> Reading the thread on TSS I was sad to see that most people have
> missed the boat about Web Services.
>
> These people expect nothing but to expose their **objects** as Web
> Services using some framework with minimum effort as possible.
> Thats as far as they are willing to go with Web Services.
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> Regards,
>
>
>
> Rajith
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> On 5/8/06, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Sure.
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> - Beware of people with hidden agendas. You can never please everyone.
> - Once you meet the objective criteria (say "add spring support"), you
> will hear either ("it's not easy" or "it's complicated" in other
> words
> "It does not meet my unspecified standards that are in my
> head"-kind-of subjective criteria.
>
> thanks,
> dims
>
> On 5/8/06, Rajith Attapattu <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Looking at the thread on TSS, it looks like some people are hell
> bent on
> > having spring support.
> >
> > Paul already has some code (sandbox) attached to the
> jira AXIS2-272
> > I looked at them and it does provide a nice way of exposing spring
> beans as
> > Web Services via a MessageReceiver
> >
> > I agree with Paul that there is some common code that could be
> refactored
> > out in the message reciver classes.
> >
> > Shall we work on this code base and provide the support these people
> are
> > asking for??
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rajith
> >
>
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> Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/
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