On Sep 22, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Charlie Bell <char...@culturelist.org> wrote:


That's the widely perceived view of them, yes. Doesn't totally hold water if you actually read the New Testament, but yes - if people tried to act a bit nicer to each other we'd be better off.

I know what you mean, I think, but I've stopped using the word "nice" to describe it. I know churches that are perfectly "nice" to gays, for example, but in doing so pretty much fail to accept them. Sort of a "welcome to our church, we're glad to have you here and we're certain that you're going to hell." Except that the last sentence is implied, not spoken aloud.

I guess another way to say what I'm saying is that hypocrisy and self-righteousness can be extremely nice, and I find the combination to be not only irritating, but destructive to community. There's a passive-aggressiveness present.

I'd rather call on people to be "real," rather than "nice," I suppose.

Nick

I suppose it comes down to a distinction between a largely superficial pleasantness in discourse, which is what it seems like you're getting at there, and more substantive civility which involves some form of acceptance and a baseline level of respect, aside from philosophical disagreements ..

"Oh yeah? Well, I speak LOOOOOOOUD, and I carry a BEEEEEEEger stick -- and I use it too!" **whop!** -- Yosemite Sam




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