Hi Elpidio & C2X Community: I certainly don't think that the Care2X project is something to be taken lightly nor do I think that actually forking away from the main project will be easy should it happen. In fact, I said in my original post that I would rather NOT fork. But, I think we can all agree, there are some problems with the project that need to be addressed.
Since I opened the discussion about forking I've seen a lot of positive movement on the dicussion list. Hopefully, that movement will/has translated into movement on the project. I will only continue with a fork if the project stales or if the same issues that have been brought up by others continue to be issues and are never addressed. Indeed, that would be the entire reason behind a fork. As I said, I do not WANT to fork. It would be my preference to jump into the Care2X community and help move the project to a more competitive and more professional place. But it takes the entire development community to move us there, not just one or two people. Lastly, you're right: we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. But that is largly due to lack of developer communication with the community. When we hear little or nothing from the devs, even in response to questions posted on the list, how can we be expected to know what's going on behind the scenes? Largely, all we see is a barely functioning, very public facing website that looks kind of abandoned. Nothing is posted to the site as to what is wrong with it, when it will be back up, etc. That hurts the projects image to have those problems in such public view without any explaination as to what is going on. So let's work together to see where this can go. Maybe a fork isn't a good idea at the moment, maybe it is. I suppose we'll have to wait and see if things change anytime soon. I still do support the C2X project and would love to see it move forward and become what we all know it can be. We just need developers and community to work together. Sincerely, Anthony Papillion --- Elpidio Latorilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Anthony, > > whether you decide to fork or not to fork, the > care2x will stay as a > project. > We have been laboring on this for a long time. > > If you think you can develop a better project in > this scale, nobody can > stop you > from doing so. In fact I will give you a tip: > developers will join you > "only" if they > see that you can create something feasible to back > up your talk. > > Developers are intelligent people (in fact very > intelligent), they will > see through > you very quickly. Do not fall into the wrong > assumption that starting > an open-source > project (even those you only fork) is easy. It is > not. If you had the > impression that > care2x project was easy, it was only because a lot > of people have > labored to > make it easy "for you". Like for example: a guy is > now struggling and > fighting > with a hosting company to repair everything to its > previous status while > you are sitting > in front of your computer waiting for something to > happen. > > If we dont know what amount of work is being done > behind a seemingly > "easy" project, it is > easy to make the mistake of adding insult to injury. > > Good luck in your new endeavor. > > Elpidio > > Anthony Papillion wrote: > > >Dear Care2X Developers and Community, > > > >Over the last year, I've carefully monitored the > >Care2X project with the hopes of it becoming a > viable > >option for use within North America. I even, at one > >time volunteered to assist in making sure that all > the > >pieces were in place for North American deployment > and > >never received any feedback or information. That, > >combined with the recent lack of developer > interaction > >with the community, has led me to believe that > Care2X > >is dead. Additionally, after reviewing the codebase > >for the last few days, I'm growing increasingly > >concerned about the code itself as much of it seems > >fairly "hacked" together with little or no rhyme or > >reason. > > > >As such, I'm seriously considering forking Care2X, > >using what code is usable, and rewriting the large > >portions that aren't while extending the product to > >better meet the needs of North American hospitals > and > >healthcare providers. A fork, as you all know, is a > >radical departure from the established group and > it's > >not something I'm lightly considering. It would be > a > >lot of work but I believe that the entire project > and > >its image would greatly benefit from having a more > >active and involved development team seriously > working > >on the project and making it better. > > > >So what's going to happen now? > > > >First, I want to give the Care2X developers and > >community the abillity to respond to this. Is > Care2X > >still a viable product? If so, where are all of the > >developers and why are they not participating in > the > >community? What are some ideas to make Care2X > better > >and, developers, are you willing to listen to the > >communities needs? > > > >Next, after giving everyone an adaquate chance to > >comment on this subject and guaging if the > developers > >have a solid plan to fix the problems with Care2X, > we > >will either decide to proceed with the fork or give > >Care2X a little longer to shape things up. I think > >July 1 is a good enough amount of time for > discussion. > > > >Developers: I do NOT WANT TO FORK this project. But > >one cannot simply create a project, expect it to be > >used, but never interact with the community or move > >the project to more professional pastures. I am > >BEGGING you to give this community some idea of > WHERE > >we are going, WHEN we are going there, WHAT we are > >going to do to get there, and WHERE we are going. > >Clear direction is needed. Can you provide it? > > > >Community: Obviously we all care about Care2X and > its > >future. Some of us are seriously wanting to move it > >into new and exciting areas but we can't do that > >without either a fork or more developer support. I > ask > >that you begin an open discussion on this list > about > >the issues you find with Care2X and let the > developers > >know what you want, need, and expect from them. > > > >Lastly, I understand that Care2X, like most open > >source product, is largely a labor of love and it > is > >the product of many hours of volunteer time. As > such, > >I understand that the developers must balance their > >work on the product with their real lives and jobs. > I > >am not asking for full-time development on the > >product. I am not asking for questions to be > answered > >in 20 minutes or for updates to be done overnight. > >What I am asking is for SOME developer > participation > >in the community and SOME active development that > >addresses community needs. > > > >If anyone would like to discuss this issue further > >with me please either email the list, email me > >personally, or call me anytime. My contact info is > >below. > > > >It is my sincere hope that Care2X can rise from its > >current state and become a better, stronger, and > >dominant product. It is my hope that we can all > pull > >it out of its slump and into a higher place. But it > >will take a concerted effort and it is my hope that > >that effort starts today. > > > >Sincerely, > >Anthony Papillion > >Advanced Data Concets > > > >P: (918) 926-0139 > >E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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