Moses:

Since the Care2X team has responded and they seem to
be waking up a little bit, I was basically going to
let this issue settle and see where it all went. Until
I read your post.

What I am suggesting is not piracy and it's certainly
not driven by individualistic goals to "get all the
credit". My goal is solely to bring Care2X to a place
where it can be accepted within the North American
marketplace and bring it to a more professional place
generally. I fail to see how there is anything wrong
with that at all. In fact, that is one of the built in
insurance policies of an OSS project: if the original
developers aren't pleasing the market there is always
the opportunity for other developer to step in and
fill the gap. 

As to your piracy claim, I have to say it's just
silly. One cannot "pirate" OSS code unless they do
something that violates the GPL. I never suggested
doing anything that violates the GPL so I'm not
pirating the software. I'm simply exercising my RIGHTS
UNDER THE GPL. If you think what I am doing is piracy,
then I suggest that you go back and read the GPL in
its entirety and familiarize yourself with the rights
it bestows on software users. Under the GPL there is
absolutely nothing illegal (and piracy is a strictly
legal word) about forking. It's a right.

Instead of reacting from an emotional place and
throwing words like piracy around, perhaps you should
look at the project objectively. Obviously, there
are/were some problems or else people would be
complaining about the SAME thing. If the developers
address these problems (and it really seems as though
they are) then there is no need or threat of a fork.
If they choose not to, then it is anyones absolute
right to fork and create something that works for
them. As I said in my two posts, which I do encourage
you to go back to the archives and read, I don't WANT
to fork. I would rather Care2X continue as a unified
team under the skillful guidance of its current
managers. But, should the problems with the project
not be resolved, I think a fork is indeed called for.
And, as I said earlier in this email, it looks like
the devlopers are doing some change so that might not
even be an issue anymore.

Lastly, my suggestion is that you stop looking at the
project from the subjective viewpoint of a developer
and look at it from the viewpoint of the people it's
supposed to serve. Those are the people that should
drive development and those are the people you have to
please. If they aren't satisfied then all you have is
a "ooh cool shiney new product" will never break new
ground.

Anthony Papillion
P: (918) 926-0139

--- Moses Moloi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Team,
> I agree completely with Elpidio (and I guess with
> the rest of the community). What Papillion is
> suggesting is simply what I would call "Piracy" even
> though it may seem to be a very legitimate move to
> fork. I have been studying the Care2x software for
> the past two years and I'm taking my time
> contributing where I can and not waiting for
> sometime to develop some "nice module" or
> functionality and then critique it! If things are
> not moving fast enough, add the momentum to help
> them move, not simply thinking forking will be the
> solution here.
> I have witnessed individualistic people who pounce
> on every opportunity fail when they fork projects
> whose roots they can't trace so that they could get
> all the credit. I personally would not follow
> over-hurried projects in search on "fast-forward
> progress" only to get disappointed later. Team work
> within opensource is all about patience,
> contribution and communication and positive talk,
> not waiting behind some monitor for someone to
> magically make things move at YOUR desired pace!!
> 
> Help us address the problems identified, talk to
> Kolayan and the rest of the community. Open source
> people like challenges and my guess is that they
> will gratefully contribute to the address of these
> problems
> 
> Thanks for the response Elpidio,
> 
> Moses Moloi
> Gaborone, Botswana
> 

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