Hello Anthony, I agree with you that you did nothing wrong regarding open source habits and especially care2x community. May be not all people are comfortable with the way you express yourself, but this is normal for such kind of discussions.
I want to personally thank you for bringing the problem in discussion. I would like to turn the energy that has condensed in this mailing list into something more constructive. The latest posts outlined two general problems: 1. Organisation of the care2x community: responsibilities, meaningful and trustful roadmap, the way of communication, etc. 2. Future evolution of the care2x software in terms of modularity, usability, technologies, etc. There are some posts that address these problems and partially give idea how to solve them. I want to invite you, Anthony, to share with us your ideas about this. The fact that you were thinking about hypothetical forking means you have something in mind. Please, state exactly the problems in the community and give your ideas _how_ we can solve them. Latest discussion brought lots of attention in the mailing list. I am sure that there are many eyes turned back watching it again. I believe we can do it all together and find the right direction to go forward. Greetings Kaloyan On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 10:39 -0700, Anthony Papillion wrote: > Moses: > > Since the Care2X team has responded and they seem to > be waking up a little bit, I was basically going to > let this issue settle and see where it all went. Until > I read your post. > > What I am suggesting is not piracy and it's certainly > not driven by individualistic goals to "get all the > credit". My goal is solely to bring Care2X to a place > where it can be accepted within the North American > marketplace and bring it to a more professional place > generally. I fail to see how there is anything wrong > with that at all. In fact, that is one of the built in > insurance policies of an OSS project: if the original > developers aren't pleasing the market there is always > the opportunity for other developer to step in and > fill the gap. > > As to your piracy claim, I have to say it's just > silly. One cannot "pirate" OSS code unless they do > something that violates the GPL. I never suggested > doing anything that violates the GPL so I'm not > pirating the software. I'm simply exercising my RIGHTS > UNDER THE GPL. If you think what I am doing is piracy, > then I suggest that you go back and read the GPL in > its entirety and familiarize yourself with the rights > it bestows on software users. Under the GPL there is > absolutely nothing illegal (and piracy is a strictly > legal word) about forking. It's a right. > > Instead of reacting from an emotional place and > throwing words like piracy around, perhaps you should > look at the project objectively. Obviously, there > are/were some problems or else people would be > complaining about the SAME thing. If the developers > address these problems (and it really seems as though > they are) then there is no need or threat of a fork. > If they choose not to, then it is anyones absolute > right to fork and create something that works for > them. As I said in my two posts, which I do encourage > you to go back to the archives and read, I don't WANT > to fork. I would rather Care2X continue as a unified > team under the skillful guidance of its current > managers. But, should the problems with the project > not be resolved, I think a fork is indeed called for. > And, as I said earlier in this email, it looks like > the devlopers are doing some change so that might not > even be an issue anymore. > > Lastly, my suggestion is that you stop looking at the > project from the subjective viewpoint of a developer > and look at it from the viewpoint of the people it's > supposed to serve. Those are the people that should > drive development and those are the people you have to > please. If they aren't satisfied then all you have is > a "ooh cool shiney new product" will never break new > ground. > > Anthony Papillion > P: (918) 926-0139 > > --- Moses Moloi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Team, > > I agree completely with Elpidio (and I guess with > > the rest of the community). What Papillion is > > suggesting is simply what I would call "Piracy" even > > though it may seem to be a very legitimate move to > > fork. I have been studying the Care2x software for > > the past two years and I'm taking my time > > contributing where I can and not waiting for > > sometime to develop some "nice module" or > > functionality and then critique it! If things are > > not moving fast enough, add the momentum to help > > them move, not simply thinking forking will be the > > solution here. > > I have witnessed individualistic people who pounce > > on every opportunity fail when they fork projects > > whose roots they can't trace so that they could get > > all the credit. I personally would not follow > > over-hurried projects in search on "fast-forward > > progress" only to get disappointed later. Team work > > within opensource is all about patience, > > contribution and communication and positive talk, > > not waiting behind some monitor for someone to > > magically make things move at YOUR desired pace!! > > > > Help us address the problems identified, talk to > > Kolayan and the rest of the community. Open source > > people like challenges and my guess is that they > > will gratefully contribute to the address of these > > problems > > > > Thanks for the response Elpidio, > > > > Moses Moloi > > Gaborone, Botswana > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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