Hi Moses:

Thanks for your vote of support and I do agree with
everything you said. I don't have time to give your
email a full response right now but I'll email you
later today.

I definately don't want to see Care2X suffer the same
fate as SugarCRM. That was and is a tragic example of
an open source project totally losing its vision and
what can happen to a project if developers and the
community don't guard against a project going totally
commercial. I think Care2X is fine as an open source
project - no need for commercialism. We just need to
address some issues, solve them, and move forward.

Honestly, while I am greatly honoured by your support
for me to become part of the project management team.
But I think I'd fit in better as a developer and
contributor. 

Now, I'm going to check out what the African and Latin
American teams are doing. Definately no hard feelings
and hope to more fully respond to your email later
tonight.

Anthony Papillion
P. (918) 926-0139



--- Moses Moloi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Anthony and Kaloyan ,
> I really have to support you on this one. One major
> problem is that we exepct all people in the list to
> be developers in the sense of source code than
> contributors via application module testing and
> verification. The source is just released to the
> domain and we haven't segmented the clientele into
> users, source code developers, database
> migration/testing/design, interface and feature
> design/test/ and many other areas. So each one of us
> has their own expectations from within the project
> which cannot be satisfied unless we have segmented
> this project. There are observers, developers,
> contributors and users and if you follow the lists,
> then u will realise that the various models of
> Care2x running across the globe vary significantly
> in terms of customisation and scope yet little of it
> is fed back into the project. Thence the failure to
> build a working model of accepted features and
> modules by the project management team. For
> instance, Mauri Niemi in Africa has done a
> tremendous
>  lot in Africa (Billing and other modules) where the
> scope of application of the project has been
> completely tailored to the continent's needs, and so
> is the case here in Botswana where HIV/AIDS
> prevalence is higher and there are programs such as
> PMTCT (Prevention of Mother to Child Transmission),
> public ARV therapy etc. 
> 
> If all these customisations are fed back into the
> project, then you would realise just how much
> progress there is out there. The latin American team
> also seems to be very busy but the results are far
> from reaching the rest of the community. My take on
> this is we need to drive the project forward and
> have a revival of feedback spirit, thereby naturing
> the contribution for everyone to enjoy the fruits of
> the hardwork already labored into the project. 
> Your initiation of this heated discussion has
> brought all minds back to the core of the matter; We
> need to wake up and labor on! 
> I would appreciate it if Anthony could be put in the
> project management team even if temporarily because
> I can sense that he has a lot of shake he needs to
> input to the project to help drive it forward again
> (from a users' perspective not as a source code
> contributor) perhaps, a lot of problems currently
> hitting the project hard could abate. He could try
> to rebuild the interaction and communication of the
> community. The various functionalities and features
> he needs to drive could be driven onto the table for
> implementation, and other problems resolved. That's
> my take anyway! No hard feelings towards anyone,
> just my fear of seeing several forks coming up and
> dismembering this project from the middle.
> Commercialising Care2x is not my route, as someone
> rightly said, SugarCRM community is dying because of
> commercialisation.
> 
> Regards
> Moses
> +267 71242745
> Gaborone, Botswana

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