Okay...I'll play the part of a grandpa here although I'm not nearly
that old....
Guys/Gals you are going to be blind-sided by something... expect that.
It's been my experience through the many Cisco tests I've taken that
to pass the lab...you are expected to be one part engineer, one part
architect and one part artist.
Sorry, I have no sympathy for someone who is complaining about vendor
training products. There was a time when there were very few training
products(Wayne chime in if you want, you have an early number
too ;) ....you had to go seek the experts in a given field, figure out
the technologies inside and out and spend months at the gear to be an
expert. I think given the tremendous effort put forth by the folks at
IPExpert so far, there is an awful lot to appreciate (at least
speaking for myself). Anyone who has developed core content can tell
you that it takes time..and a lot of it. So kudos to IPX for their
hard work...but realize that nothing out there will give you
everything you need..
Sean, Nara, I don't think the letter of the NDA was broken per say,
but I would say the spirit was though..I don't think it was a
malicious act, but perhaps not the best forum to say what was said.
The test will continue to increase in difficulty, but from the
feedback we've heard it is a reasonable assesment of skill sets that
should be mastered. V2 just seemed to be an impossible feat to
accomplish (because of NDA violations) and it sounds like you had to
be more artist and magician than engineer and architect
I've run through countless paper certs in my career and I for one
appreciate all the effort Cisco is putting forth to reduce the frauds
out there...
My .02, for what it's worth...
Thanks,
Jim
Jim Van Kirk
CCIE 8227
On Aug 10, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Nara Shikamaru <shikam...@kagadis.com>
wrote:
Yeah, sorry, Sean's right. And, btw, everyone knows about the NDA
and he didn't voilate it with material details. If that were the
case, every vendor would be violateing the NDA just by being in
business as material writers and teachers are expected to have taken
the exam themselves. We're expected to know the technology, we're
allowed to know that CUE is expected to integrate with CUCM. And,
by the way, picking out a newbie in the field is quick and easy when
the first words out of their mouth are "NDA XXX".
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Sean B Davis <seanbda...@mavetech.com
> wrote:
Which part? I am completely disappointed with all the training
providers lack of prep for the new version. I do not see any thing
in my
comment that is NDA. I have given no details and will not, I am just
saying there are technologies in the blue print that are not covered
fully in the Workbooks out there. I am also not seeing how every
impression posted does not even mention this. It's time someone
spoke a
little truth on this list. It's also time the the training providers
started getting out from behind the 8 ball. If I where any of the
training companies out there right now I would stop having classes and
focus on getting my content up to the new blue print and not just
adding
a few things to the old content. I have now spent $6000 on over price
workbooks and rack rentals just to be completely blindsided on the
test.
I would expect to see a few things on the test that are necessarily on
the workbooks but not to this extent. Now ever rack providers is
saying
they will not have CUCM capabilities for the CUE until mid to late
September. How hard is it to put a ftp client and the software on
the VM
PC??????? Anwser 25 mins on our VM Ware server here in the office, the
systems guys say the could copy the updated VM to 30 ESX boxes by
morning! Guys that are just starting should know what is lacking,
where
is this info when you order!? What the training providers need to
realize is that not all off work for national Cisco parters with
unlimited budgets and see every technology done in the real world. We
depend on them to have update material and lab equipment/
configurations.
Sean
c george
Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:30:00 -0700
maybe you should rephrase your comment alittle maybe?!
Respectfully Charles George
> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:10:11 -0500
> From: seanbda...@mavetech.com
> To: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com
> Subject: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] Impression of V3 - My two cents worth.
>
> This was my third time around, twice with v2 now once with V3. Yes
it
> was very challenging but completely doable. The big thing was the
items
> that none of the prep material out there covers in-depth, including
> Cisco own SRND (it makes a good start). Sort of got blindsided by
those
> items.
>
> Some hints:
>
> Do not waste too much time or money with the prep material from
anyone
> at this point, they still have not got it together.
> Read the SRND word for word several times!!!
> If a rack provider cannot get the CUE loaded with CUCM version of
the
> software do not buy from them!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Find the advanced dial plan presentation from Networkers 2009 and
study
> like it was your bible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Keep in mind 60% of the material from IPexpert, CCbootcamb, and
> Internetwork Expert will help, but is not complete enough
especially in
> the advanced dial plan area and CUE with CUCM. I came close but
could
> have used more study material on the dial plan, did not see the
> Networkers presentation until the day after I came back from my
test.
>
> Sean Davis, CCVP(Will be CCIE on Sept 3^rd )
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