I never said the CUE/UCM was on the test it's just a spot that seams to
be lacking on the training material. It is something I would like to be
prepared for! I am not looking for a brain dump I am looking for
training on the stuff that those of use working for small partners will
never in the field, that is what my company is paying for when they buy
this stuff. So I guess you have no problem going out and buy a car that
is 80% built? Same thing, as a consumer I expect my money or the
companies money to go for something better. Yes IPExpert does cover
allot little stuff like the sip hunt, but missed the big one. All they
and the other had to do was look at Cisco's direction on certain
technologies to figure out what needs to be covered, that what we pay
them for not brain dumps! My company paid of 5k for another guy to go
thought the boot camp and get the all the work books. They did not get
there moneys worth, there should have be a big huge disclaimer that
said, do not even think about buying this unless you plan on taking you
lab next year! I understand updates are always necessary but none should
not be so major so soon. I am not picking on any one provider, I giving
a warning to others about the industry as a whole. This is been my
experience and frustration. For all of those who keep pressuring them to
release the V3 stuff before it was done, this is your fault as much as
theirs for giving in.
Here is a novel business plan,
Technology workbook - 25 chapters released only when all chapters are
done and tested with full starting configs for each chapter .
Lab workbook - 15 labs released only when all labs and explanations are
done and test with full starting configs, including the publicly
announced UCCM/UCCX/UCUC integrations done, with the user names done.
This was announced at networkers.
Racks with on the necessary equipment all software and necessary IOS's
loaded on the test PC with FTP/TFTP/SFTP loaded. Full acces to all
routers equipment including the PSTN/WAN. Yes in lab you do not have
access to these, but when training it's really nice to to be able to
verify and try. Full VPN access not easy VPN, rack with public IP's with
the ability to do a point to point tunnel. Would be nice to use what
ever phone you have with out NAT in the way!
Anyone what to start a new company?
Sean
Michael Ciarfello wrote:
Look, I gotta say it. If you post NDA stuff, Cisco just makes the
test harder and harder. The end of the v2 run was DISGUSTING. It
wasn't a test--it was a puzzle. I might have done better with the
nail puzzle or a Sudoku puzzle. I might have done better finding the
holy grail.
CUE with CUCM load probably breaks NDA. It was covered in IPexpert's
v2 stuff somewhere anyways so it's not a surprise, we know to study it
as well as anything else that was in the old stuff. So you are not
doing *US* any favors. We bought the old stuff, we have the new stuff
and are studying BOTH.
The prep material is not a waste of money--IPExpert is not selling a
brain dump. I started studying for v3 before IPExpert came out with
any of the V3 stuff and I gotta say, it's a LOT easier to understand
and gives a different perspective for solving some of the cisco
documentation woes. They have also included stuff that I haven't come
across in the documentation or everyday life (such as question 9.1 for
sip hunt).
The other stuff, *I* don't see a problem with. Yea, study the F&S
guide, the system guide, the CCME Admin guide, the IPCC guide, etc,
etc, etc. also.
-----Original Message-----
From: ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com
[mailto:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com] On Behalf Of Sean B Davis
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 1:10 PM
To: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com
Subject: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] Impression of V3 - My two cents worth.
This was my third time around, twice with v2 now once with V3. Yes it
was very challenging but completely doable. The big thing was the items
that none of the prep material out there covers in-depth, including
Cisco own SRND (it makes a good start). Sort of got blindsided by those
items.
Some hints:
Do not waste too much time or money with the prep material from anyone
at this point, they still have not got it together.
Read the SRND word for word several times!!!
If a rack provider cannot get the CUE loaded with CUCM version of the
software do not buy from them!!!!!!!!!!!!
Find the advanced dial plan presentation from Networkers 2009 and study
like it was your bible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Keep in mind 60% of the material from IPexpert, CCbootcamb, and
Internetwork Expert will help, but is not complete enough especially in
the advanced dial plan area and CUE with CUCM. I came close but could
have used more study material on the dial plan, did not see the
Networkers presentation until the day after I came back from my test.
Sean Davis, CCVP(Will be CCIE on Sept 3^rd )
_______________________________________________
For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training,
please visit www.ipexpert.com
--- Begin Message ---
I never said the CUE/UCM was on the test it's just a spot that seams to
be lacking on the training material. It is something I would like to be
prepared for! I am not looking for a brain dump I am looking for
training on the stuff that those of use working for small partners will
never in the field, that is what my company is paying for when they buy
this stuff. So I guess you have no problem going out and buy a car that
is 80% built? Same thing, as a consumer I expect my money or the
companies money to go for something better. Yes IPExpert does cover
allot little stuff like the sip hunt, but missed the big one. All they
and the other had to do was look at Cisco's direction on certain
technologies to figure out what needs to be covered, that what we pay
them for not brain dumps! My company paid of 5k for another guy to go
thought the boot camp and get the all the work books. They did not get
there moneys worth, there should have be a big huge disclaimer that
said, do not even think about buying this unless you plan on taking you
lab next year! I understand updates are always necessary but none should
not be so major so soon. I am not picking on any one provider, I giving
a warning to others about the industry as a whole. This is been my
experience and frustration. For all of those who keep pressuring them to
release the V3 stuff before it was done, this is your fault as much as
theirs for giving in.
Here is a novel business plan,
Technology workbook - 25 chapters released only when all chapters are
done and tested with full starting configs for each chapter .
Lab workbook - 15 labs released only when all labs and explanations are
done and test with full starting configs, including the publicly
announced UCCM/UCCX/UCUC integrations done, with the user names done.
This was announced at networkers.
Racks with on the necessary equipment all software and necessary IOS's
loaded on the test PC with FTP/TFTP/SFTP loaded. Full acces to all
routers equipment including the PSTN/WAN. Yes in lab you do not have
access to these, but when training it's really nice to to be able to
verify and try. Full VPN access not easy VPN, rack with public IP's with
the ability to do a point to point tunnel. Would be nice to use what
ever phone you have with out NAT in the way!
Anyone what to start a new company?
Sean
Michael Ciarfello wrote:
Look, I gotta say it. If you post NDA stuff, Cisco just makes the test harder
and harder. The end of the v2 run was DISGUSTING. It wasn't a test--it was a
puzzle. I might have done better with the nail puzzle or a Sudoku puzzle. I
might have done better finding the holy grail.
CUE with CUCM load probably breaks NDA. It was covered in IPexpert's v2 stuff
somewhere anyways so it's not a surprise, we know to study it as well as
anything else that was in the old stuff. So you are not doing *US* any favors.
We bought the old stuff, we have the new stuff and are studying BOTH.
The prep material is not a waste of money--IPExpert is not selling a brain
dump. I started studying for v3 before IPExpert came out with any of the V3
stuff and I gotta say, it's a LOT easier to understand and gives a different
perspective for solving some of the cisco documentation woes. They have also
included stuff that I haven't come across in the documentation or everyday life
(such as question 9.1 for sip hunt).
The other stuff, *I* don't see a problem with. Yea, study the F&S guide, the
system guide, the CCME Admin guide, the IPCC guide, etc, etc, etc. also.
-----Original Message-----
From: ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com
[mailto:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com] On Behalf Of Sean B Davis
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 1:10 PM
To: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com
Subject: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] Impression of V3 - My two cents worth.
This was my third time around, twice with v2 now once with V3. Yes it
was very challenging but completely doable. The big thing was the items
that none of the prep material out there covers in-depth, including
Cisco own SRND (it makes a good start). Sort of got blindsided by those
items.
Some hints:
Do not waste too much time or money with the prep material from anyone
at this point, they still have not got it together.
Read the SRND word for word several times!!!
If a rack provider cannot get the CUE loaded with CUCM version of the
software do not buy from them!!!!!!!!!!!!
Find the advanced dial plan presentation from Networkers 2009 and study
like it was your bible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Keep in mind 60% of the material from IPexpert, CCbootcamb, and
Internetwork Expert will help, but is not complete enough especially in
the advanced dial plan area and CUE with CUCM. I came close but could
have used more study material on the dial plan, did not see the
Networkers presentation until the day after I came back from my test.
Sean Davis, CCVP(Will be CCIE on Sept 3^rd )
_______________________________________________
For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit
www.ipexpert.com
--- End Message ---
_______________________________________________
For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit
www.ipexpert.com
