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On May 29, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree that in retiring the exam and requiring that you retake the > lab portion again is incomprehensible. > > They can't tell me that the R&S hasn't changed as much or more over > its lifetime. It is still the same but they did not retire it (well > maybe that is the plan, retire them all and make you earn new) so if > you got your R&S 10 years or 10 days ago you are CCIE R&S. > > You can easily say the same for others but you get the idea. > > I think that this is marketing and even so they could have easily done > exactly what they did with CCVP to CCNP Voice. When you renew, you do > so by passing the CCIE Collaboration written exam (which they make > more like the others with some interactive tasks) and you then renew > as a CCIE Collaboration. > > I just think we should stop complaining, organize the CCIE voice > community and ask nicely, demand persuasively and argue smartly to get > them to change their minds about having to take the lab again to move > to CCIE Collaboration. > > What they have done is weaken in my mind what I strove so hard to earn > > Bill > > > On 5/29/13, Mark Holloway <m...@markholloway.com> wrote: >> Granted we all know that taking any CCIE Written will allow us to remain >> CCIE's even if Voice is retired, but I think the frustration is Voice and >> Collaboration are not THAT far apart and no matter how you look at it, it >> all falls under Cisco Unified Communications, which is what the name of the >> new CCIE really should be anyway. The core of the Voice blueprint is still >> there. The Collaboration equipment list looks like a refresh of current >> products, not a forklift of one technology replacing another. >> >> In my opinion this was too harsh of a move to retire Voice and start over >> again with Collaboration. There are too many similarities between the two. >> >> >> >> >> On May 29, 2013, at 7:10 AM, Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Ranting about it won't change anything. I read on line that when they >>> retire your CCIE, you can still renew by passing a CCIE level written or >>> lab. If this is true then you do not loose your CCIE just the voice tag. >>> >>> That seems to be a difficult pill to swallow but it would not be the first >>> from my reading. Storage had this happen earlier this year as have >>> several others. See here with the snippet. Now the second is a wiki so >>> we would want official confirmation. >>> >>> https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-17226 >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Career_Certifications#Retired_CCIE_tracks >>> Retired CCIE tracks >>> >>> Some previously awarded CCIE specializations have been retired by Cisco. >>> These are: >>> >>> WAN Switching CCIE (Essentially a specialisation focusing on the IGX/BPX >>> switch products, which had been acquired as part of the StrataCom >>> acquisition) >>> ISP Dial CCIE >>> SNA/IP Integration CCIE (aka CCIE Blue) >>> Design CCIE (NOTE: The CCIE Design and CCDE are completely different >>> design tests in format and subjects examined) >>> People who hold these now-retired certifications can remain CCIEs, >>> provided they continue to take recertification exams. They now hold the >>> title "CCIE", rather than CCIE Security, or some other specialization. >>> >>> So if we can get official confirmation that we won't be stripped of CCIE >>> if you pass the voice lab, it might be good, for those of us that have >>> already passed we don't get a chance to change our minds for those that >>> have yet to pass, this might be incentive to change your goal. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:29 AM, m george <m.george00...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> Vik, >>> >>> A 2nd grader can pass RS/Sec/SP much much easier than Voice IE. Voice is >>> still the toughest one & i know some double IE's who couldn't pass Voice. >>> If Cisco has lost faith in re-cert, that should apply to every track, not >>> just Voice. >>> >>> Naturally, they should have renamed Certification to Voice/Collaboration >>> or Voice/Video etc & introduced new version. If they had to do this >>> retiring thing, why didn't they do when they introduced V3 from V2 ? Old >>> days of Call Manager based on Windows & literally everything based on >>> windows, Analog endpoints/VGs/ATAs etc. Retiring CCIE Voice makes no sense >>> whatsoever whether be it from marketing point of view or any other. Why >>> can't big buck makers at Cisco just rename a Cert rather than do something >>> completely rubbish. >>> >>> With just one announcement, they have made many people lose faith in >>> Certification process. I am sure Voice labs will be the most deserted labs >>> until Feb 2014. >>> >>> At the end of day, we can only request Cisco to "re-consider" this >>> decision. I hope folks concerned "collaborate" & put their suggestions >>> forward on Cisco Support Community & direct to Cisco Certification teams >>> so they "realize" what they are doing is NOT right. >>> >>> I will take some months for us to digest this news. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Vik Malhi <vma...@ipexpert.com> wrote: >>> As I said before - I would think product marketing had something to say >>> about this. Just my opinion. Why for the last 4 years has there been a >>> lack of Microsoft products in the exam? Are Microsoft are not relevant or >>> it Marketing bullying the content team? >>> >>> At the same time there are many folks out there with a voice IE who can't >>> spell SIP. So what do you do about those folks? >>> >>> Historically Cisco have trusted their recertification process as a valid >>> check and balance. >>> >>> It looks like they have lost a bit of faith in the written exams as a >>> valid means to recertification- and that is no surprise to any of us as we >>> all know a 2nd grader could pass one of those exams (and I don't condone >>> the means through which that is possible). >>> >>> When the dust has settled I will be advising all existing voice IE's two >>> things: look at this as an extra challenge that will reap extra reward and >>> secondly - diversify. Collaboration expertise in the very literal sense >>> cannot be confined to a monolithic single vendor application time test >>> that is going to occur . I would have thought a true collaboration expert >>> would (if not now, never) be encouraged to seek skills and experience from >>> a wider spectrum of vendors. >>> >>> Rant over. >>> >>> On May 28, 2013, at 20:14, Hesham Abdelkereem <heshamcentr...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes its really frustrating what Cisco is doing to us. >>>> Ok let me tell you this. >>>> People now have invested a lot of money in pursuing their CCIE Voice that >>>> includes (Verious Workbook fees , Rack Rentals , Home Lab building , >>>> travel expenses and Lab fees attempts for whatever times) >>>> So when people achieve CCIE Voice nowadays a year or two later it would >>>> be considered old and grandfathered. >>>> Also , Cisco has released a new lab for 2 months while they are planning >>>> to abolish the whole syllabus. >>>> Why they do that to us???? They already make money out of everything >>>> especially lab multiple times of lab attempts per each person. >>>> >>>> CCIE Voice achievers has to send cisco request for Migration without Lab >>>> test. >>>> CCVP it was automatically migrated to CCNP Voice without any additional >>>> tests. >>>> CCNA is migrated to CCNA R/S without any additional tests. >>>> In case of Video part then I suggest whether they force CCIE Voice people >>>> to make CCNA VIDEO or CCNP Video if they will release or they make just a >>>> migration lab track that includes VIDEO stuff only for a cheaper fee >>>> something like $500. >>>> >>>> Thats same for MICROSOFT they abolished MCSE to change it to MCITP people >>>> usually just add 2 tracks to become full MCITP same when they migrate to >>>> new MCSE (Microsoft Certified Solutions Experts) there is only an upgrade >>>> track rather than taking the whole 5 tracks again. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cisco obviously has to do something like that.It's really unfair retiring >>>> the whole cisco voice totally. >>>> Guys to make the new Collaboration lab that would cost anyone over 50K to >>>> buy telepresence , X9XX routers stuff , 9971 Video Phones , TV's and >>>> etc.. >>>> Even the rack rentals would be 5 times the old voice track as the >>>> equipment would be way more expensive. >>>> >>>> Seriously , We have to agree all of us from multiple different voice >>>> study group to have a migration track to Collaboration please share your >>>> thoughts guys >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 28 May 2013 18:56, Mark Holloway <m...@markholloway.com> wrote: >>>> Bummer, I was really hoping CCIE Voice candidates would transition to >>>> Collaboration without any additional lab exams. >>>> >>>> On May 28, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Vik Malhi <vma...@ipexpert.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> For my initial reaction read here: >>>>> >>>>> http://bit.ly/12MNK5t >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Vik Malhi – CCIE #13890 >>>>> Managing Partner - IPexpert, Inc. >>>>> >>>>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 ext 420 >>>>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130 >>>>> Mailto: vma...@ipexpert.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, >>>>> please visit www.ipexpert.com >>>>> >>>>> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? 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