I wasn't going to chime in, but given some of the responses I feel led to put in my two cents.
My plan is to sit the exam August 1st (already paid for) and get CCIEVoice. I agree that it's a shame Cisco is changing the name, but like many of you said, you still have the number. I would also bet that most if not all of you have had some video experience, so if you decide to try for the Collaboration cert and already have a CCIE Voice, it *should* be fairly straight forward. If you're in the same boat as I am, my advice is to keep on going. You've already spent X amount of months studying (and time away from family), so keep going, don't procrastinate and get it done! I hope that reads more of a pep talk for my fellow candidates, rather than a rant. Oh, and I'm up for voicing an opinion to Cisco about this, but I would doubt they would shift policy because of us - but who knows. Josh On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Martin Sloan <martinsloa...@gmail.com>wrote: > I couldn't give you a +1 on the Cisco site so let me offer the +1 here. > Well put, very concise and totally accurate. I completely agree with you. > I vote that you are 'The voice of The Voice'. > > Bitching may not work, but it makes me feel better :-D > > > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:07 PM, William Bell <b...@ucguerrilla.com>wrote: > >> When you have a group of people that share an opinion, you need to >> organize that group of people so that they can speak as "one voice". It is >> called "Unified Communications" for a reason! >> >> The key is to have this group opinion communicated across multiple >> mediums in a consistent and persistent manner. Basically, you have to >> market your message. Twitter, FB, and the Cisco Communities are good target >> mediums if you want to get Cisco's attention. Finding out "who" is in >> charge of the IE Voice/Collaboration program and getting their email is >> another medium. Though, the recipient of said email bomb won't look on that >> with favorable eyes and it may be counterproductive. >> >> Bitching for the sake of bitching won't work. You also have to make sure >> your argument is one that has a chance of appealing to the other party's >> willingness or ability to make a compromise. For instance, bitching at >> Cisco and saying they should rethink retiring the IE voice and grandfather >> us in may not work. However, launching a campaign to convince them that >> there should be an alternate path for the IE voice to upgrade their IE may >> provide a more workable compromise. >> >> Thus far I have spoken about organizing our complaints to get attention >> and putting out a message that provides a reasonable and workable >> compromise. Cisco has and will listen to that messaging. It has a chance if >> you say it loud and often. The whole squeaky wheel thing. >> >> If you had a way to show that this move costs Cisco money then you would >> have an even more effective weapon. This is a little harder to >> conceptualize and even harder to convince everyone to do what would need to >> be done. >> >> -Bil >> >> -- >> William Bell, CCIE #38914 >> blog: http://ucguerrilla.com >> Follow me on twitter @ucguerrilla >> >> >> >> >> On May 29, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Leslie Meade <leslie.me...@lvs1.com> wrote: >> >> The question is... what if anything can we do ? >> Where would we start.. >> >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Mark Holloway <m...@markholloway.com> >> Date: >> To: Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com> >> Cc: OSL Group <ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com>,Vik Malhi < >> vma...@ipexpert.com> >> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced >> >> >> Granted we all know that taking any CCIE Written will allow us to remain >> CCIE's even if Voice is retired, but I think the frustration is Voice and >> Collaboration are not THAT far apart and no matter how you look at it, it >> all falls under Cisco Unified Communications, which is what the name of the >> new CCIE really should be anyway. The core of the Voice blueprint is still >> there. The Collaboration equipment list looks like a refresh of current >> products, not a forklift of one technology replacing another. >> >> In my opinion this was too harsh of a move to retire Voice and start over >> again with Collaboration. There are too many similarities between the two. >> >> >> >> On May 29, 2013, at 7:10 AM, Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com< >> mailto:whl...@gmail.com <whl...@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >> Ranting about it won't change anything. I read on line that when they >> retire your CCIE, you can still renew by passing a CCIE level written or >> lab. If this is true then you do not loose your CCIE just the voice tag. >> >> That seems to be a difficult pill to swallow but it would not be the >> first from my reading. Storage had this happen earlier this year as have >> several others. See here with the snippet. Now the second is a wiki so we >> would want official confirmation. >> >> https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-17226 >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Career_Certifications#Retired_CCIE_tracks >> Retired CCIE tracks >> >> Some previously awarded CCIE specializations have been retired by Cisco. >> These are: >> >> * WAN Switching CCIE (Essentially a specialisation focusing on the >> IGX/BPX switch products, which had been acquired as part of the StrataCom< >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StrataCom> acquisition) >> * ISP Dial CCIE >> * SNA/IP Integration CCIE (aka CCIE Blue) >> * Design CCIE (NOTE: The CCIE Design and CCDE are completely different >> design tests in format and subjects examined) >> >> People who hold these now-retired certifications can remain CCIEs, >> provided they continue to take recertification exams. They now hold the >> title "CCIE", rather than CCIE Security, or some other specialization. >> >> So if we can get official confirmation that we won't be stripped of CCIE >> if you pass the voice lab, it might be good, for those of us that have >> already passed we don't get a chance to change our minds for those that >> have yet to pass, this might be incentive to change your goal. >> >> Bill >> >> >> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:29 AM, m george <m.george00...@gmail.com >> <mailto:m.george00...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Vik, >> >> A 2nd grader can pass RS/Sec/SP much much easier than Voice IE. Voice is >> still the toughest one & i know some double IE's who couldn't pass Voice. >> If Cisco has lost faith in re-cert, that should apply to every track, not >> just Voice. >> >> Naturally, they should have renamed Certification to Voice/Collaboration >> or Voice/Video etc & introduced new version. If they had to do this >> retiring thing, why didn't they do when they introduced V3 from V2 ? Old >> days of Call Manager based on Windows & literally everything based on >> windows, Analog endpoints/VGs/ATAs etc. Retiring CCIE Voice makes no sense >> whatsoever whether be it from marketing point of view or any other. Why >> can't big buck makers at Cisco just rename a Cert rather than do something >> completely rubbish. >> >> With just one announcement, they have made many people lose faith in >> Certification process. I am sure Voice labs will be the most deserted labs >> until Feb 2014. >> >> At the end of day, we can only request Cisco to "re-consider" this >> decision. I hope folks concerned "collaborate" & put their suggestions >> forward on Cisco Support Community & direct to Cisco Certification teams so >> they "realize" what they are doing is NOT right. >> >> I will take some months for us to digest this news. >> >> Thanks >> >> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Vik Malhi <vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto: >> vma...@ipexpert.com>> wrote: >> As I said before - I would think product marketing had something to say >> about this. Just my opinion. Why for the last 4 years has there been a lack >> of Microsoft products in the exam? Are Microsoft are not relevant or it >> Marketing bullying the content team? >> >> At the same time there are many folks out there with a voice IE who can't >> spell SIP. So what do you do about those folks? >> >> Historically Cisco have trusted their recertification process as a valid >> check and balance. >> >> It looks like they have lost a bit of faith in the written exams as a >> valid means to recertification- and that is no surprise to any of us as we >> all know a 2nd grader could pass one of those exams (and I don't condone >> the means through which that is possible). >> >> When the dust has settled I will be advising all existing voice IE's two >> things: look at this as an extra challenge that will reap extra reward and >> secondly - diversify. Collaboration expertise in the very literal sense >> cannot be confined to a monolithic single vendor application time test that >> is going to occur . I would have thought a true collaboration expert would >> (if not now, never) be encouraged to seek skills and experience from a >> wider spectrum of vendors. >> >> Rant over. >> >> On May 28, 2013, at 20:14, Hesham Abdelkereem <heshamcentr...@gmail.com >> <mailto:heshamcentr...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Yes its really frustrating what Cisco is doing to us. >> Ok let me tell you this. >> People now have invested a lot of money in pursuing their CCIE Voice that >> includes (Verious Workbook fees , Rack Rentals , Home Lab building , travel >> expenses and Lab fees attempts for whatever times) >> So when people achieve CCIE Voice nowadays a year or two later it would >> be considered old and grandfathered. >> Also , Cisco has released a new lab for 2 months while they are planning >> to abolish the whole syllabus. >> Why they do that to us???? They already make money out of everything >> especially lab multiple times of lab attempts per each person. >> >> CCIE Voice achievers has to send cisco request for Migration without Lab >> test. >> CCVP it was automatically migrated to CCNP Voice without any additional >> tests. >> CCNA is migrated to CCNA R/S without any additional tests. >> In case of Video part then I suggest whether they force CCIE Voice people >> to make CCNA VIDEO or CCNP Video if they will release or they make just a >> migration lab track that includes VIDEO stuff only for a cheaper fee >> something like $500. >> >> Thats same for MICROSOFT they abolished MCSE to change it to MCITP people >> usually just add 2 tracks to become full MCITP same when they migrate to >> new MCSE (Microsoft Certified Solutions Experts) there is only an upgrade >> track rather than taking the whole 5 tracks again. >> >> >> Cisco obviously has to do something like that.It's really unfair retiring >> the whole cisco voice totally. >> Guys to make the new Collaboration lab that would cost anyone over 50K to >> buy telepresence , X9XX routers stuff , 9971 Video Phones , TV's and etc.. >> Even the rack rentals would be 5 times the old voice track as the >> equipment would be way more expensive. >> >> Seriously , We have to agree all of us from multiple different voice >> study group to have a migration track to Collaboration please share your >> thoughts guys >> [X] >> >> >> On 28 May 2013 18:56, Mark Holloway <m...@markholloway.com<mailto: >> m...@markholloway.com>> wrote: >> Bummer, I was really hoping CCIE Voice candidates would transition to >> Collaboration without any additional lab exams. >> >> On May 28, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Vik Malhi <vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto: >> vma...@ipexpert.com>> wrote: >> >> For my initial reaction read here: >> >> http://bit.ly/12MNK5t >> >> >> Vik Malhi – CCIE #13890 >> Managing Partner - IPexpert, Inc. >> >> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 ext 420<tel:%2B1.810.326.1444%20ext%20420> >> Fax: +1.810.454.0130<tel:%2B1.810.454.0130> >> Mailto: vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >> visit www.ipexpert.com<http://www.ipexpert.com/> >> >> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? 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