If you or any of your colleges are going to Cisco Live. I'm sure there is a CCIE Voice presentation and update. Voice your opinion there. ***No pun intended.***
Overall, it sucks. It does look like more of a marketing side using the word Collaboration. There are some changes in 7.0 to 9.1 and video is the biggest thing. Other new features if you compare the lab topics from V3.0 and Collab: Native Call Queuing, Video Codecs, maybe more emphasis on SIP, EMCC, ILS/URI, ELCAC, Security, Jabber and Federation. Check out the CCIE Lab Exam Topics. It seems like 95%+ is the same from CCIE Voice. https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-20804 IMHO, if you are studying (and attempted the lab already, like me) just take the exam and get your number. I know I had buddies that took the CCIE Wireless and it took a long time for them to pass as the exam was so new they didn't have much training partner/material. It's gonna be a while for material to be created. You will see the pass rate for CCIE Collab being very low in the beginning stages, I'm guessing. Finally, keep studying. You still need to know core Voice before you can know collaboration. Good luck! Josh Reola www.ciscosimplified.com On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 10:39 AM, m george <m.george00...@gmail.com> wrote: > VIk/IPExpert Team, > > Does anyone knows who the Program Manager is for Upcoming Collaboration > Track ? We need to voice our concerns to PM's direct email address & on > Cisco Support Community. That's only way, we will be heard. > > Let's hope Cisco listens to us. > > Regards, > > > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I agree that in retiring the exam and requiring that you retake the >> lab portion again is incomprehensible. >> >> They can't tell me that the R&S hasn't changed as much or more over >> its lifetime. It is still the same but they did not retire it (well >> maybe that is the plan, retire them all and make you earn new) so if >> you got your R&S 10 years or 10 days ago you are CCIE R&S. >> >> You can easily say the same for others but you get the idea. >> >> I think that this is marketing and even so they could have easily done >> exactly what they did with CCVP to CCNP Voice. When you renew, you do >> so by passing the CCIE Collaboration written exam (which they make >> more like the others with some interactive tasks) and you then renew >> as a CCIE Collaboration. >> >> I just think we should stop complaining, organize the CCIE voice >> community and ask nicely, demand persuasively and argue smartly to get >> them to change their minds about having to take the lab again to move >> to CCIE Collaboration. >> >> What they have done is weaken in my mind what I strove so hard to earn >> >> Bill >> >> >> On 5/29/13, Mark Holloway <m...@markholloway.com> wrote: >> > Granted we all know that taking any CCIE Written will allow us to remain >> > CCIE's even if Voice is retired, but I think the frustration is Voice >> and >> > Collaboration are not THAT far apart and no matter how you look at it, >> it >> > all falls under Cisco Unified Communications, which is what the name of >> the >> > new CCIE really should be anyway. The core of the Voice blueprint is >> still >> > there. The Collaboration equipment list looks like a refresh of current >> > products, not a forklift of one technology replacing another. >> > >> > In my opinion this was too harsh of a move to retire Voice and start >> over >> > again with Collaboration. There are too many similarities between the >> two. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On May 29, 2013, at 7:10 AM, Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Ranting about it won't change anything. I read on line that when they >> >> retire your CCIE, you can still renew by passing a CCIE level written >> or >> >> lab. If this is true then you do not loose your CCIE just the voice >> tag. >> >> >> >> That seems to be a difficult pill to swallow but it would not be the >> first >> >> from my reading. Storage had this happen earlier this year as have >> >> several others. See here with the snippet. Now the second is a wiki >> so >> >> we would want official confirmation. >> >> >> >> https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-17226 >> >> >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Career_Certifications#Retired_CCIE_tracks >> >> Retired CCIE tracks >> >> >> >> Some previously awarded CCIE specializations have been retired by >> Cisco. >> >> These are: >> >> >> >> WAN Switching CCIE (Essentially a specialisation focusing on the >> IGX/BPX >> >> switch products, which had been acquired as part of the StrataCom >> >> acquisition) >> >> ISP Dial CCIE >> >> SNA/IP Integration CCIE (aka CCIE Blue) >> >> Design CCIE (NOTE: The CCIE Design and CCDE are completely different >> >> design tests in format and subjects examined) >> >> People who hold these now-retired certifications can remain CCIEs, >> >> provided they continue to take recertification exams. They now hold the >> >> title "CCIE", rather than CCIE Security, or some other specialization. >> >> >> >> So if we can get official confirmation that we won't be stripped of >> CCIE >> >> if you pass the voice lab, it might be good, for those of us that have >> >> already passed we don't get a chance to change our minds for those that >> >> have yet to pass, this might be incentive to change your goal. >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:29 AM, m george <m.george00...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> Vik, >> >> >> >> A 2nd grader can pass RS/Sec/SP much much easier than Voice IE. Voice >> is >> >> still the toughest one & i know some double IE's who couldn't pass >> Voice. >> >> If Cisco has lost faith in re-cert, that should apply to every track, >> not >> >> just Voice. >> >> >> >> Naturally, they should have renamed Certification to >> Voice/Collaboration >> >> or Voice/Video etc & introduced new version. If they had to do this >> >> retiring thing, why didn't they do when they introduced V3 from V2 ? >> Old >> >> days of Call Manager based on Windows & literally everything based on >> >> windows, Analog endpoints/VGs/ATAs etc. Retiring CCIE Voice makes no >> sense >> >> whatsoever whether be it from marketing point of view or any other. >> Why >> >> can't big buck makers at Cisco just rename a Cert rather than do >> something >> >> completely rubbish. >> >> >> >> With just one announcement, they have made many people lose faith in >> >> Certification process. I am sure Voice labs will be the most deserted >> labs >> >> until Feb 2014. >> >> >> >> At the end of day, we can only request Cisco to "re-consider" this >> >> decision. I hope folks concerned "collaborate" & put their suggestions >> >> forward on Cisco Support Community & direct to Cisco Certification >> teams >> >> so they "realize" what they are doing is NOT right. >> >> >> >> I will take some months for us to digest this news. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Vik Malhi <vma...@ipexpert.com> >> wrote: >> >> As I said before - I would think product marketing had something to say >> >> about this. Just my opinion. Why for the last 4 years has there been a >> >> lack of Microsoft products in the exam? Are Microsoft are not relevant >> or >> >> it Marketing bullying the content team? >> >> >> >> At the same time there are many folks out there with a voice IE who >> can't >> >> spell SIP. So what do you do about those folks? >> >> >> >> Historically Cisco have trusted their recertification process as a >> valid >> >> check and balance. >> >> >> >> It looks like they have lost a bit of faith in the written exams as a >> >> valid means to recertification- and that is no surprise to any of us >> as we >> >> all know a 2nd grader could pass one of those exams (and I don't >> condone >> >> the means through which that is possible). >> >> >> >> When the dust has settled I will be advising all existing voice IE's >> two >> >> things: look at this as an extra challenge that will reap extra reward >> and >> >> secondly - diversify. Collaboration expertise in the very literal sense >> >> cannot be confined to a monolithic single vendor application time test >> >> that is going to occur . I would have thought a true collaboration >> expert >> >> would (if not now, never) be encouraged to seek skills and experience >> from >> >> a wider spectrum of vendors. >> >> >> >> Rant over. >> >> >> >> On May 28, 2013, at 20:14, Hesham Abdelkereem < >> heshamcentr...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Yes its really frustrating what Cisco is doing to us. >> >>> Ok let me tell you this. >> >>> People now have invested a lot of money in pursuing their CCIE Voice >> that >> >>> includes (Verious Workbook fees , Rack Rentals , Home Lab building , >> >>> travel expenses and Lab fees attempts for whatever times) >> >>> So when people achieve CCIE Voice nowadays a year or two later it >> would >> >>> be considered old and grandfathered. >> >>> Also , Cisco has released a new lab for 2 months while they are >> planning >> >>> to abolish the whole syllabus. >> >>> Why they do that to us???? They already make money out of everything >> >>> especially lab multiple times of lab attempts per each person. >> >>> >> >>> CCIE Voice achievers has to send cisco request for Migration without >> Lab >> >>> test. >> >>> CCVP it was automatically migrated to CCNP Voice without any >> additional >> >>> tests. >> >>> CCNA is migrated to CCNA R/S without any additional tests. >> >>> In case of Video part then I suggest whether they force CCIE Voice >> people >> >>> to make CCNA VIDEO or CCNP Video if they will release or they make >> just a >> >>> migration lab track that includes VIDEO stuff only for a cheaper fee >> >>> something like $500. >> >>> >> >>> Thats same for MICROSOFT they abolished MCSE to change it to MCITP >> people >> >>> usually just add 2 tracks to become full MCITP same when they migrate >> to >> >>> new MCSE (Microsoft Certified Solutions Experts) there is only an >> upgrade >> >>> track rather than taking the whole 5 tracks again. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Cisco obviously has to do something like that.It's really unfair >> retiring >> >>> the whole cisco voice totally. >> >>> Guys to make the new Collaboration lab that would cost anyone over >> 50K to >> >>> buy telepresence , X9XX routers stuff , 9971 Video Phones , TV's and >> >>> etc.. >> >>> Even the rack rentals would be 5 times the old voice track as the >> >>> equipment would be way more expensive. >> >>> >> >>> Seriously , We have to agree all of us from multiple different voice >> >>> study group to have a migration track to Collaboration please share >> your >> >>> thoughts guys >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 28 May 2013 18:56, Mark Holloway <m...@markholloway.com> wrote: >> >>> Bummer, I was really hoping CCIE Voice candidates would transition to >> >>> Collaboration without any additional lab exams. >> >>> >> >>> On May 28, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Vik Malhi <vma...@ipexpert.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> > For my initial reaction read here: >> >>> > >> >>> > http://bit.ly/12MNK5t >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Vik Malhi – CCIE #13890 >> >>> > Managing Partner - IPexpert, Inc. >> >>> > >> >>> > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 ext 420 >> >>> > Fax: +1.810.454.0130 >> >>> > Mailto: vma...@ipexpert.com >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, >> >>> > please visit www.ipexpert.com >> >>> > >> >>> > Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? 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