I couldn't give you a +1 on the Cisco site so let me offer the +1 here. Well put, very concise and totally accurate. I completely agree with you. I vote that you are 'The voice of The Voice'.
Bitching may not work, but it makes me feel better :-D On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:07 PM, William Bell <b...@ucguerrilla.com> wrote: > When you have a group of people that share an opinion, you need to > organize that group of people so that they can speak as "one voice". It is > called "Unified Communications" for a reason! > > The key is to have this group opinion communicated across multiple mediums > in a consistent and persistent manner. Basically, you have to market your > message. Twitter, FB, and the Cisco Communities are good target mediums if > you want to get Cisco's attention. Finding out "who" is in charge of the IE > Voice/Collaboration program and getting their email is another medium. > Though, the recipient of said email bomb won't look on that with favorable > eyes and it may be counterproductive. > > Bitching for the sake of bitching won't work. You also have to make sure > your argument is one that has a chance of appealing to the other party's > willingness or ability to make a compromise. For instance, bitching at > Cisco and saying they should rethink retiring the IE voice and grandfather > us in may not work. However, launching a campaign to convince them that > there should be an alternate path for the IE voice to upgrade their IE may > provide a more workable compromise. > > Thus far I have spoken about organizing our complaints to get attention > and putting out a message that provides a reasonable and workable > compromise. Cisco has and will listen to that messaging. It has a chance if > you say it loud and often. The whole squeaky wheel thing. > > If you had a way to show that this move costs Cisco money then you would > have an even more effective weapon. This is a little harder to > conceptualize and even harder to convince everyone to do what would need to > be done. > > -Bil > > -- > William Bell, CCIE #38914 > blog: http://ucguerrilla.com > Follow me on twitter @ucguerrilla > > > > > On May 29, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Leslie Meade <leslie.me...@lvs1.com> wrote: > > The question is... what if anything can we do ? > Where would we start.. > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Mark Holloway <m...@markholloway.com> > Date: > To: Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com> > Cc: OSL Group <ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com>,Vik Malhi < > vma...@ipexpert.com> > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced > > > Granted we all know that taking any CCIE Written will allow us to remain > CCIE's even if Voice is retired, but I think the frustration is Voice and > Collaboration are not THAT far apart and no matter how you look at it, it > all falls under Cisco Unified Communications, which is what the name of the > new CCIE really should be anyway. The core of the Voice blueprint is still > there. The Collaboration equipment list looks like a refresh of current > products, not a forklift of one technology replacing another. > > In my opinion this was too harsh of a move to retire Voice and start over > again with Collaboration. There are too many similarities between the two. > > > > On May 29, 2013, at 7:10 AM, Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com< > mailto:whl...@gmail.com <whl...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > Ranting about it won't change anything. I read on line that when they > retire your CCIE, you can still renew by passing a CCIE level written or > lab. If this is true then you do not loose your CCIE just the voice tag. > > That seems to be a difficult pill to swallow but it would not be the first > from my reading. Storage had this happen earlier this year as have several > others. See here with the snippet. Now the second is a wiki so we would > want official confirmation. > > https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-17226 > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Career_Certifications#Retired_CCIE_tracks > Retired CCIE tracks > > Some previously awarded CCIE specializations have been retired by Cisco. > These are: > > * WAN Switching CCIE (Essentially a specialisation focusing on the > IGX/BPX switch products, which had been acquired as part of the StrataCom< > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StrataCom> acquisition) > * ISP Dial CCIE > * SNA/IP Integration CCIE (aka CCIE Blue) > * Design CCIE (NOTE: The CCIE Design and CCDE are completely different > design tests in format and subjects examined) > > People who hold these now-retired certifications can remain CCIEs, > provided they continue to take recertification exams. They now hold the > title "CCIE", rather than CCIE Security, or some other specialization. > > So if we can get official confirmation that we won't be stripped of CCIE > if you pass the voice lab, it might be good, for those of us that have > already passed we don't get a chance to change our minds for those that > have yet to pass, this might be incentive to change your goal. > > Bill > > > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:29 AM, m george <m.george00...@gmail.com<mailto: > m.george00...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Vik, > > A 2nd grader can pass RS/Sec/SP much much easier than Voice IE. Voice is > still the toughest one & i know some double IE's who couldn't pass Voice. > If Cisco has lost faith in re-cert, that should apply to every track, not > just Voice. > > Naturally, they should have renamed Certification to Voice/Collaboration > or Voice/Video etc & introduced new version. If they had to do this > retiring thing, why didn't they do when they introduced V3 from V2 ? Old > days of Call Manager based on Windows & literally everything based on > windows, Analog endpoints/VGs/ATAs etc. Retiring CCIE Voice makes no sense > whatsoever whether be it from marketing point of view or any other. Why > can't big buck makers at Cisco just rename a Cert rather than do something > completely rubbish. > > With just one announcement, they have made many people lose faith in > Certification process. I am sure Voice labs will be the most deserted labs > until Feb 2014. > > At the end of day, we can only request Cisco to "re-consider" this > decision. I hope folks concerned "collaborate" & put their suggestions > forward on Cisco Support Community & direct to Cisco Certification teams so > they "realize" what they are doing is NOT right. > > I will take some months for us to digest this news. > > Thanks > > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Vik Malhi <vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto: > vma...@ipexpert.com>> wrote: > As I said before - I would think product marketing had something to say > about this. Just my opinion. Why for the last 4 years has there been a lack > of Microsoft products in the exam? Are Microsoft are not relevant or it > Marketing bullying the content team? > > At the same time there are many folks out there with a voice IE who can't > spell SIP. So what do you do about those folks? > > Historically Cisco have trusted their recertification process as a valid > check and balance. > > It looks like they have lost a bit of faith in the written exams as a > valid means to recertification- and that is no surprise to any of us as we > all know a 2nd grader could pass one of those exams (and I don't condone > the means through which that is possible). > > When the dust has settled I will be advising all existing voice IE's two > things: look at this as an extra challenge that will reap extra reward and > secondly - diversify. Collaboration expertise in the very literal sense > cannot be confined to a monolithic single vendor application time test that > is going to occur . I would have thought a true collaboration expert would > (if not now, never) be encouraged to seek skills and experience from a > wider spectrum of vendors. > > Rant over. > > On May 28, 2013, at 20:14, Hesham Abdelkereem <heshamcentr...@gmail.com > <mailto:heshamcentr...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Yes its really frustrating what Cisco is doing to us. > Ok let me tell you this. > People now have invested a lot of money in pursuing their CCIE Voice that > includes (Verious Workbook fees , Rack Rentals , Home Lab building , travel > expenses and Lab fees attempts for whatever times) > So when people achieve CCIE Voice nowadays a year or two later it would be > considered old and grandfathered. > Also , Cisco has released a new lab for 2 months while they are planning > to abolish the whole syllabus. > Why they do that to us???? They already make money out of everything > especially lab multiple times of lab attempts per each person. > > CCIE Voice achievers has to send cisco request for Migration without Lab > test. > CCVP it was automatically migrated to CCNP Voice without any additional > tests. > CCNA is migrated to CCNA R/S without any additional tests. > In case of Video part then I suggest whether they force CCIE Voice people > to make CCNA VIDEO or CCNP Video if they will release or they make just a > migration lab track that includes VIDEO stuff only for a cheaper fee > something like $500. > > Thats same for MICROSOFT they abolished MCSE to change it to MCITP people > usually just add 2 tracks to become full MCITP same when they migrate to > new MCSE (Microsoft Certified Solutions Experts) there is only an upgrade > track rather than taking the whole 5 tracks again. > > > Cisco obviously has to do something like that.It's really unfair retiring > the whole cisco voice totally. > Guys to make the new Collaboration lab that would cost anyone over 50K to > buy telepresence , X9XX routers stuff , 9971 Video Phones , TV's and etc.. > Even the rack rentals would be 5 times the old voice track as the > equipment would be way more expensive. > > Seriously , We have to agree all of us from multiple different voice study > group to have a migration track to Collaboration please share your thoughts > guys > [X] > > > On 28 May 2013 18:56, Mark Holloway <m...@markholloway.com<mailto: > m...@markholloway.com>> wrote: > Bummer, I was really hoping CCIE Voice candidates would transition to > Collaboration without any additional lab exams. > > On May 28, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Vik Malhi <vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto: > vma...@ipexpert.com>> wrote: > > For my initial reaction read here: > > http://bit.ly/12MNK5t > > > Vik Malhi – CCIE #13890 > Managing Partner - IPexpert, Inc. > > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 ext 420<tel:%2B1.810.326.1444%20ext%20420> > Fax: +1.810.454.0130<tel:%2B1.810.454.0130> > Mailto: vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please > visit www.ipexpert.com<http://www.ipexpert.com/> > > Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? 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