VIk/IPExpert Team, Does anyone knows who the Program Manager is for Upcoming Collaboration Track ? We need to voice our concerns to PM's direct email address & on Cisco Support Community. That's only way, we will be heard.
Let's hope Cisco listens to us. Regards, On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree that in retiring the exam and requiring that you retake the > lab portion again is incomprehensible. > > They can't tell me that the R&S hasn't changed as much or more over > its lifetime. It is still the same but they did not retire it (well > maybe that is the plan, retire them all and make you earn new) so if > you got your R&S 10 years or 10 days ago you are CCIE R&S. > > You can easily say the same for others but you get the idea. > > I think that this is marketing and even so they could have easily done > exactly what they did with CCVP to CCNP Voice. When you renew, you do > so by passing the CCIE Collaboration written exam (which they make > more like the others with some interactive tasks) and you then renew > as a CCIE Collaboration. > > I just think we should stop complaining, organize the CCIE voice > community and ask nicely, demand persuasively and argue smartly to get > them to change their minds about having to take the lab again to move > to CCIE Collaboration. > > What they have done is weaken in my mind what I strove so hard to earn > > Bill > > > On 5/29/13, Mark Holloway <m...@markholloway.com> wrote: > > Granted we all know that taking any CCIE Written will allow us to remain > > CCIE's even if Voice is retired, but I think the frustration is Voice and > > Collaboration are not THAT far apart and no matter how you look at it, it > > all falls under Cisco Unified Communications, which is what the name of > the > > new CCIE really should be anyway. The core of the Voice blueprint is > still > > there. The Collaboration equipment list looks like a refresh of current > > products, not a forklift of one technology replacing another. > > > > In my opinion this was too harsh of a move to retire Voice and start over > > again with Collaboration. There are too many similarities between the > two. > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 2013, at 7:10 AM, Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Ranting about it won't change anything. I read on line that when they > >> retire your CCIE, you can still renew by passing a CCIE level written or > >> lab. If this is true then you do not loose your CCIE just the voice > tag. > >> > >> That seems to be a difficult pill to swallow but it would not be the > first > >> from my reading. Storage had this happen earlier this year as have > >> several others. See here with the snippet. Now the second is a wiki so > >> we would want official confirmation. > >> > >> https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-17226 > >> > >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Career_Certifications#Retired_CCIE_tracks > >> Retired CCIE tracks > >> > >> Some previously awarded CCIE specializations have been retired by Cisco. > >> These are: > >> > >> WAN Switching CCIE (Essentially a specialisation focusing on the IGX/BPX > >> switch products, which had been acquired as part of the StrataCom > >> acquisition) > >> ISP Dial CCIE > >> SNA/IP Integration CCIE (aka CCIE Blue) > >> Design CCIE (NOTE: The CCIE Design and CCDE are completely different > >> design tests in format and subjects examined) > >> People who hold these now-retired certifications can remain CCIEs, > >> provided they continue to take recertification exams. They now hold the > >> title "CCIE", rather than CCIE Security, or some other specialization. > >> > >> So if we can get official confirmation that we won't be stripped of CCIE > >> if you pass the voice lab, it might be good, for those of us that have > >> already passed we don't get a chance to change our minds for those that > >> have yet to pass, this might be incentive to change your goal. > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:29 AM, m george <m.george00...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> Vik, > >> > >> A 2nd grader can pass RS/Sec/SP much much easier than Voice IE. Voice > is > >> still the toughest one & i know some double IE's who couldn't pass > Voice. > >> If Cisco has lost faith in re-cert, that should apply to every track, > not > >> just Voice. > >> > >> Naturally, they should have renamed Certification to > Voice/Collaboration > >> or Voice/Video etc & introduced new version. If they had to do this > >> retiring thing, why didn't they do when they introduced V3 from V2 ? Old > >> days of Call Manager based on Windows & literally everything based on > >> windows, Analog endpoints/VGs/ATAs etc. Retiring CCIE Voice makes no > sense > >> whatsoever whether be it from marketing point of view or any other. Why > >> can't big buck makers at Cisco just rename a Cert rather than do > something > >> completely rubbish. > >> > >> With just one announcement, they have made many people lose faith in > >> Certification process. I am sure Voice labs will be the most deserted > labs > >> until Feb 2014. > >> > >> At the end of day, we can only request Cisco to "re-consider" this > >> decision. I hope folks concerned "collaborate" & put their suggestions > >> forward on Cisco Support Community & direct to Cisco Certification teams > >> so they "realize" what they are doing is NOT right. > >> > >> I will take some months for us to digest this news. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Vik Malhi <vma...@ipexpert.com> > wrote: > >> As I said before - I would think product marketing had something to say > >> about this. Just my opinion. Why for the last 4 years has there been a > >> lack of Microsoft products in the exam? Are Microsoft are not relevant > or > >> it Marketing bullying the content team? > >> > >> At the same time there are many folks out there with a voice IE who > can't > >> spell SIP. So what do you do about those folks? > >> > >> Historically Cisco have trusted their recertification process as a valid > >> check and balance. > >> > >> It looks like they have lost a bit of faith in the written exams as a > >> valid means to recertification- and that is no surprise to any of us as > we > >> all know a 2nd grader could pass one of those exams (and I don't condone > >> the means through which that is possible). > >> > >> When the dust has settled I will be advising all existing voice IE's two > >> things: look at this as an extra challenge that will reap extra reward > and > >> secondly - diversify. Collaboration expertise in the very literal sense > >> cannot be confined to a monolithic single vendor application time test > >> that is going to occur . I would have thought a true collaboration > expert > >> would (if not now, never) be encouraged to seek skills and experience > from > >> a wider spectrum of vendors. > >> > >> Rant over. > >> > >> On May 28, 2013, at 20:14, Hesham Abdelkereem <heshamcentr...@gmail.com > > > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Yes its really frustrating what Cisco is doing to us. > >>> Ok let me tell you this. > >>> People now have invested a lot of money in pursuing their CCIE Voice > that > >>> includes (Verious Workbook fees , Rack Rentals , Home Lab building , > >>> travel expenses and Lab fees attempts for whatever times) > >>> So when people achieve CCIE Voice nowadays a year or two later it would > >>> be considered old and grandfathered. > >>> Also , Cisco has released a new lab for 2 months while they are > planning > >>> to abolish the whole syllabus. > >>> Why they do that to us???? They already make money out of everything > >>> especially lab multiple times of lab attempts per each person. > >>> > >>> CCIE Voice achievers has to send cisco request for Migration without > Lab > >>> test. > >>> CCVP it was automatically migrated to CCNP Voice without any additional > >>> tests. > >>> CCNA is migrated to CCNA R/S without any additional tests. > >>> In case of Video part then I suggest whether they force CCIE Voice > people > >>> to make CCNA VIDEO or CCNP Video if they will release or they make > just a > >>> migration lab track that includes VIDEO stuff only for a cheaper fee > >>> something like $500. > >>> > >>> Thats same for MICROSOFT they abolished MCSE to change it to MCITP > people > >>> usually just add 2 tracks to become full MCITP same when they migrate > to > >>> new MCSE (Microsoft Certified Solutions Experts) there is only an > upgrade > >>> track rather than taking the whole 5 tracks again. > >>> > >>> > >>> Cisco obviously has to do something like that.It's really unfair > retiring > >>> the whole cisco voice totally. > >>> Guys to make the new Collaboration lab that would cost anyone over 50K > to > >>> buy telepresence , X9XX routers stuff , 9971 Video Phones , TV's and > >>> etc.. > >>> Even the rack rentals would be 5 times the old voice track as the > >>> equipment would be way more expensive. > >>> > >>> Seriously , We have to agree all of us from multiple different voice > >>> study group to have a migration track to Collaboration please share > your > >>> thoughts guys > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 28 May 2013 18:56, Mark Holloway <m...@markholloway.com> wrote: > >>> Bummer, I was really hoping CCIE Voice candidates would transition to > >>> Collaboration without any additional lab exams. > >>> > >>> On May 28, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Vik Malhi <vma...@ipexpert.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> > For my initial reaction read here: > >>> > > >>> > http://bit.ly/12MNK5t > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Vik Malhi – CCIE #13890 > >>> > Managing Partner - IPexpert, Inc. > >>> > > >>> > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 ext 420 > >>> > Fax: +1.810.454.0130 > >>> > Mailto: vma...@ipexpert.com > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, > >>> > please visit www.ipexpert.com > >>> > > >>> > Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? 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