Great pep talk Josh, I'm right before you on 7/29 in RTP and will keeping focused on it. I hope they reconsider or provide an alternate update path but if not I'm already paid up for the CCIE-V, might as well go for it. Good luck on your lab.
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Josh Petro <josh.pe...@gmail.com> wrote: > I wasn't going to chime in, but given some of the responses I feel led to > put in my two cents. > > My plan is to sit the exam August 1st (already paid for) and get CCIEVoice. I > agree that it's a shame > Cisco is changing the name, but like many of you said, you still have the > number. I would also bet that most if not all of you have had some video > experience, so if you decide to try for the Collaboration cert and already > have a CCIE Voice, it *should* be fairly straight forward. > > If you're in the same boat as I am, my advice is to keep on going. You've > already spent X amount of months studying (and time away from family), so > keep going, don't procrastinate and get it done! > > I hope that reads more of a pep talk for my fellow candidates, rather than > a rant. > > Oh, and I'm up for voicing an opinion to Cisco about this, but I would > doubt they would shift policy because of us - but who knows. > > Josh > > > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Martin Sloan <martinsloa...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I couldn't give you a +1 on the Cisco site so let me offer the +1 here. >> Well put, very concise and totally accurate. I completely agree with you. >> I vote that you are 'The voice of The Voice'. >> >> Bitching may not work, but it makes me feel better :-D >> >> >> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:07 PM, William Bell <b...@ucguerrilla.com>wrote: >> >>> When you have a group of people that share an opinion, you need to >>> organize that group of people so that they can speak as "one voice". It is >>> called "Unified Communications" for a reason! >>> >>> The key is to have this group opinion communicated across multiple >>> mediums in a consistent and persistent manner. Basically, you have to >>> market your message. Twitter, FB, and the Cisco Communities are good target >>> mediums if you want to get Cisco's attention. Finding out "who" is in >>> charge of the IE Voice/Collaboration program and getting their email is >>> another medium. Though, the recipient of said email bomb won't look on that >>> with favorable eyes and it may be counterproductive. >>> >>> Bitching for the sake of bitching won't work. You also have to make sure >>> your argument is one that has a chance of appealing to the other party's >>> willingness or ability to make a compromise. For instance, bitching at >>> Cisco and saying they should rethink retiring the IE voice and grandfather >>> us in may not work. However, launching a campaign to convince them that >>> there should be an alternate path for the IE voice to upgrade their IE may >>> provide a more workable compromise. >>> >>> Thus far I have spoken about organizing our complaints to get attention >>> and putting out a message that provides a reasonable and workable >>> compromise. Cisco has and will listen to that messaging. It has a chance if >>> you say it loud and often. The whole squeaky wheel thing. >>> >>> If you had a way to show that this move costs Cisco money then you would >>> have an even more effective weapon. This is a little harder to >>> conceptualize and even harder to convince everyone to do what would need to >>> be done. >>> >>> -Bil >>> >>> -- >>> William Bell, CCIE #38914 >>> blog: http://ucguerrilla.com >>> Follow me on twitter @ucguerrilla >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 29, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Leslie Meade <leslie.me...@lvs1.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> The question is... what if anything can we do ? >>> Where would we start.. >>> >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Mark Holloway <m...@markholloway.com> >>> Date: >>> To: Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com> >>> Cc: OSL Group <ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com>,Vik Malhi < >>> vma...@ipexpert.com> >>> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced >>> >>> >>> Granted we all know that taking any CCIE Written will allow us to remain >>> CCIE's even if Voice is retired, but I think the frustration is Voice and >>> Collaboration are not THAT far apart and no matter how you look at it, it >>> all falls under Cisco Unified Communications, which is what the name of the >>> new CCIE really should be anyway. The core of the Voice blueprint is still >>> there. The Collaboration equipment list looks like a refresh of current >>> products, not a forklift of one technology replacing another. >>> >>> In my opinion this was too harsh of a move to retire Voice and start >>> over again with Collaboration. There are too many similarities between the >>> two. >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 29, 2013, at 7:10 AM, Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com< >>> mailto:whl...@gmail.com <whl...@gmail.com>>> wrote: >>> >>> Ranting about it won't change anything. I read on line that when they >>> retire your CCIE, you can still renew by passing a CCIE level written or >>> lab. If this is true then you do not loose your CCIE just the voice tag. >>> >>> That seems to be a difficult pill to swallow but it would not be the >>> first from my reading. Storage had this happen earlier this year as have >>> several others. See here with the snippet. Now the second is a wiki so we >>> would want official confirmation. >>> >>> https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-17226 >>> >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Career_Certifications#Retired_CCIE_tracks >>> Retired CCIE tracks >>> >>> Some previously awarded CCIE specializations have been retired by Cisco. >>> These are: >>> >>> * WAN Switching CCIE (Essentially a specialisation focusing on the >>> IGX/BPX switch products, which had been acquired as part of the StrataCom< >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StrataCom> acquisition) >>> * ISP Dial CCIE >>> * SNA/IP Integration CCIE (aka CCIE Blue) >>> * Design CCIE (NOTE: The CCIE Design and CCDE are completely >>> different design tests in format and subjects examined) >>> >>> People who hold these now-retired certifications can remain CCIEs, >>> provided they continue to take recertification exams. They now hold the >>> title "CCIE", rather than CCIE Security, or some other specialization. >>> >>> So if we can get official confirmation that we won't be stripped of CCIE >>> if you pass the voice lab, it might be good, for those of us that have >>> already passed we don't get a chance to change our minds for those that >>> have yet to pass, this might be incentive to change your goal. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:29 AM, m george <m.george00...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:m.george00...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> Vik, >>> >>> A 2nd grader can pass RS/Sec/SP much much easier than Voice IE. Voice is >>> still the toughest one & i know some double IE's who couldn't pass Voice. >>> If Cisco has lost faith in re-cert, that should apply to every track, not >>> just Voice. >>> >>> Naturally, they should have renamed Certification to Voice/Collaboration >>> or Voice/Video etc & introduced new version. If they had to do this >>> retiring thing, why didn't they do when they introduced V3 from V2 ? Old >>> days of Call Manager based on Windows & literally everything based on >>> windows, Analog endpoints/VGs/ATAs etc. Retiring CCIE Voice makes no sense >>> whatsoever whether be it from marketing point of view or any other. Why >>> can't big buck makers at Cisco just rename a Cert rather than do something >>> completely rubbish. >>> >>> With just one announcement, they have made many people lose faith in >>> Certification process. I am sure Voice labs will be the most deserted labs >>> until Feb 2014. >>> >>> At the end of day, we can only request Cisco to "re-consider" this >>> decision. I hope folks concerned "collaborate" & put their suggestions >>> forward on Cisco Support Community & direct to Cisco Certification teams so >>> they "realize" what they are doing is NOT right. >>> >>> I will take some months for us to digest this news. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Vik Malhi <vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto: >>> vma...@ipexpert.com>> wrote: >>> As I said before - I would think product marketing had something to say >>> about this. Just my opinion. Why for the last 4 years has there been a lack >>> of Microsoft products in the exam? Are Microsoft are not relevant or it >>> Marketing bullying the content team? >>> >>> At the same time there are many folks out there with a voice IE who >>> can't spell SIP. So what do you do about those folks? >>> >>> Historically Cisco have trusted their recertification process as a valid >>> check and balance. >>> >>> It looks like they have lost a bit of faith in the written exams as a >>> valid means to recertification- and that is no surprise to any of us as we >>> all know a 2nd grader could pass one of those exams (and I don't condone >>> the means through which that is possible). >>> >>> When the dust has settled I will be advising all existing voice IE's two >>> things: look at this as an extra challenge that will reap extra reward and >>> secondly - diversify. Collaboration expertise in the very literal sense >>> cannot be confined to a monolithic single vendor application time test that >>> is going to occur . I would have thought a true collaboration expert would >>> (if not now, never) be encouraged to seek skills and experience from a >>> wider spectrum of vendors. >>> >>> Rant over. >>> >>> On May 28, 2013, at 20:14, Hesham Abdelkereem <heshamcentr...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:heshamcentr...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Yes its really frustrating what Cisco is doing to us. >>> Ok let me tell you this. >>> People now have invested a lot of money in pursuing their CCIE Voice >>> that includes (Verious Workbook fees , Rack Rentals , Home Lab building , >>> travel expenses and Lab fees attempts for whatever times) >>> So when people achieve CCIE Voice nowadays a year or two later it would >>> be considered old and grandfathered. >>> Also , Cisco has released a new lab for 2 months while they are planning >>> to abolish the whole syllabus. >>> Why they do that to us???? They already make money out of everything >>> especially lab multiple times of lab attempts per each person. >>> >>> CCIE Voice achievers has to send cisco request for Migration without Lab >>> test. >>> CCVP it was automatically migrated to CCNP Voice without any additional >>> tests. >>> CCNA is migrated to CCNA R/S without any additional tests. >>> In case of Video part then I suggest whether they force CCIE Voice >>> people to make CCNA VIDEO or CCNP Video if they will release or they make >>> just a migration lab track that includes VIDEO stuff only for a cheaper fee >>> something like $500. >>> >>> Thats same for MICROSOFT they abolished MCSE to change it to MCITP >>> people usually just add 2 tracks to become full MCITP same when they >>> migrate to new MCSE (Microsoft Certified Solutions Experts) there is only >>> an upgrade track rather than taking the whole 5 tracks again. >>> >>> >>> Cisco obviously has to do something like that.It's really unfair >>> retiring the whole cisco voice totally. >>> Guys to make the new Collaboration lab that would cost anyone over 50K >>> to buy telepresence , X9XX routers stuff , 9971 Video Phones , TV's and >>> etc.. >>> Even the rack rentals would be 5 times the old voice track as the >>> equipment would be way more expensive. >>> >>> Seriously , We have to agree all of us from multiple different voice >>> study group to have a migration track to Collaboration please share your >>> thoughts guys >>> [X] >>> >>> >>> On 28 May 2013 18:56, Mark Holloway <m...@markholloway.com<mailto: >>> m...@markholloway.com>> wrote: >>> Bummer, I was really hoping CCIE Voice candidates would transition to >>> Collaboration without any additional lab exams. >>> >>> On May 28, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Vik Malhi <vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto: >>> vma...@ipexpert.com>> wrote: >>> >>> For my initial reaction read here: >>> >>> http://bit.ly/12MNK5t >>> >>> >>> Vik Malhi – CCIE #13890 >>> Managing Partner - IPexpert, Inc. >>> >>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 ext 420<tel:%2B1.810.326.1444%20ext%20420> >>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130<tel:%2B1.810.454.0130> >>> Mailto: vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, >>> please visit www.ipexpert.com<http://www.ipexpert.com/> >>> >>> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? 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