Chris, This list was never declared to be exclusively an 8-bit affair. I'm not sure where you're getting that from. From the get go in 1997 when Bill Whitson founded the list, all computers of a vintage or obsolete nature were game for discussion. It's only after a few years and time marching on with its inevitable technological progress, and companies that were once industry stalwarts started to fall by the wayside, that we began to question what the cut-off is. And as far as the IBM PC, it was definitely vintage by the time the list was launched. The objections back in the day as I remember them were to questions pertaining to modern x86 or Macintosh systems that had plenty of forums elsewhere on the internet to engage in discussions of those (i.e. this is not a tech support forum) (...unless it's vintage tech). These days, however, I think it's fine to discuss 286/386/486 and even Pentium (below the II, at least) systems because they're sufficiently "vintage" now in the sense of the word that I think brings focus to the purpose and nature of this hobby.
In the interest of putting this thread to rest, if I were to call the rule, I'd make it simple: don't bring up boring modern topics that have a better home somewhere else. And with that, I hope we can move on, or at least morph this thread into a more interesting topic. Sellam On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 11:34 AM Chris via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I just don't remember anyone declaring this to be an 8-bit list. Back > when I was a member no one said pc stuff was off topic. Which is why I > asked. And wasn't aware JW didn't own or run tne list anymore. > > Evan Koblentz used to hate anything remotely connected to IBM for reasons > (more then likely) I won't get into. Everyone has a preference as to what a > list like this should focus on. Their preference is their business. But > their preference doesn't need to be forced on everyone else. Jay would > chime me when it was needed and cite the rules. This is why I asked, > expecting a moderator or someone well acquainted with the rules to read me > the riot act. > > So Win2003 is off topic, but allowed as long as I say that it is. But I > still want to know when or even if this was formerly declared an 8 bit > list. > > As to your response to my other question, I need to know if ghost will > reliably image the 2003 imstall. As I want to keep it. The other issues > I'll deal with afterwards. I'm not sure I'll need a setup disk, of course > it wouldn't hurt. But he warned me to enter setup each time it was powered > on and specify 'raid' in one of the settings, for tbe default was 'scsi', > and if I didn't make that adjustment (I think because the backup battery is > dead) it would wipe out rje current OS. > On Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 02:05:19 PM EST, Bill Degnan via > cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Chris, > That was me saying after 1990, within the context that one should start > thinking "is this on topic" if the thing is any newer, and I gave some > examples of then it would be and not so much be in my opinion. I also > mentioned that to high school kids interested in vintage computers, their > *start* point is 1990 many of them based on what I have seen at Kennett > Classic museum. They're interested in much newer stuff. Also, smartphones > and devices, not just computers. > > But for this list, as we are today, we're vintage of the 8-bit era vintage > computer hobbyist. > > b > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 1:52 PM Chris via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote: > > > So Jay West doesn't own the list anymore? Since when was the cutoff > > declared to be 1990? No one is in charge here? What if a revolution takes > > place? Who will martial the forces to put ot down and hang all the > > imsurgents? >
