From: Emil Djagoredo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Fred Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Lynn St.Amour" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "James M Galvin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Goutama Bachtiar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Budi Rahardjo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hehehe... kira-kira Pak Lynn St. Amour ngerti ga ya komentar Pak Emil. kelihatannya komentarnya dah dialihkan lagi... -catur On 8/18/05, Emil Djagoredo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Saya lebih senang menggunakan bahasa Indonesia > kalau berbicara dengan sesama orang Indonesia. > > Terima kasih. > > > > At 10:59 18/08/2005, you wrote: > >Emil, > > > >thanks for your reply. As a registered member of ISOC too, I would like to > >help you understand the inquiry made by our Secretary. > >Let me point out again what Irwan has wrote, I quote: > > > > >First of all, let me introduce myself as Irwan Effendi, elected secretary > >of > > >Internet Society Indonesian Chapter, registered in Internet Society > > >International as member number 1347822. > > > >I think that will answer your question regarding the legality and please in > >the future read carefully before making any confusing statement. > >BTW if you have difficulty writing in English, I would be happy to help you, > >since this email sended to our intl HQ too. > > > >Have a nice day, > > > >Andy > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Emil Djagoredo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:30 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fred Baker; Lynn St.Amour; James M Galvin; > > > Goutama Bachtiar; Budi Rahardjo; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [ccTLD-ID] Official inquiry from Internet Society > > > Indonesian Chapter to APJII regarding management of ccTLD .id > > > > > > > > > Pak Irwan, > > > > > > Sebelum anda mengatasnamakan ISOCID legalitas anda apa ? > > > > > > Saya lihat di Indonesia chapter nama anda tidak ada. > > > > > > Jangan buat kebingungan publik. > > > > > > > > > Terima kasih. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 16:17 17/08/2005, Irwan Effendi wrote: > > > >No: Sec.05 / ISOCID / Sep / 2005 > > > >Re: management off ccTLD.id > > > >To: Association of Internet Service Provider Indonesia (APJII) > > > >Atnn. Mr Sammy Pangerapan, APJII supervisor > > > >CC: > > > >- Minister of Telecommunication and Informatics, Republic of Indonesia > > > >- Secretary General of Department of Telecommunication and Informatics, > > > >Republic of Indonesia > > > >- Expert staff on International Relations and Digital Divide > > > >- Chairman of Trustee, Internet Society International > > > >- CEO of Internet Society International > > > >- Vice President for chapters of Internet Society International > > > >- Vice Chairman of Internet Society Indonesian Chapter > > > >- Manager of ccTLD .id > > > >- ccTLD .id mailing list > > > >- ISOCID mailing list > > > > > > > >Dear Mr Sammy Pangerapan, > > > > > > > >First of all, let me introduce myself as Irwan Effendi, elected > > > secretary of > > > >Internet Society Indonesian Chapter, registered in Internet Society > > > >International as member number 1347822. > > > >Internet Society Indonesian Chapter is a chartered branch of Internet > > > >Society International, while Internet Society International is the home > > > >organization for Internet Engineering Task Force and other > > > working groups on > > > >the internet. > > > > > > > >Next, I would like to state that this is an Official Inquiry, not an > > > >Official Statement of Position, therefore the idea is to obtain as much > > > >information as to determine whether we will need to take a position, and > > > >what would that position be, if it should come to that. > > > > > > > >Background > > > > > > > >We have been partially informed that there has been a move made > > > by APJII to > > > >create a new organization to take over the management of root server for > > > >ccTLD .id . While the former chairman of ISOCID has stated his support to > > > >this move, we are still unclear about how actually this will happen. > > > >For ISOCID, the most important keywords in any changes that will > > > affect many > > > >users of the internet is "justified need" and "ensured stability of > > > >service". We would like to quote our founding father, Vinton G. Cerf, who > > > >once said "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" . Although this is not meant > > > >that we should not change anything that is already work, it does > > > mean that > > > >any changes must be need oriented, justified with clear reasons, > > > explained > > > >in technical details, and performed carefully as to avoid > > > breaking something > > > >that already works in the first place. > > > > > > > >The concern > > > > > > > >We have received information that the plan to set up the new > > > organization is > > > >driven by arguments over financial matters between APJII and > > > Budi Rahardjo, > > > >not by the need voiced by the community. Furthermore, we have > > > also read the > > > >public statement by Budi Rahardjo that he will have nothing to > > > do with the > > > >new organization, that sounds like disruption of continuity to us, and we > > > >are deeply concerned as to how this will affect internet > > > services related to > > > >domain .id during the transition period. > > > > > > > >The inquiry > > > > > > > >We would like to receive official answer from APJII regarding > > > the following > > > >questions: > > > > > > > >1. Is there any specific technical issues that calls for setting up an > > > >entirely new organization to manage ccTLD .id? If there is, > > > please explain > > > >to us in elaborative manners. > > > >2. Have APJII explore other ways to gain better role in the management, > > > >aside of creating a new organization? Joining the current managing > > > >organization as a member is one example that we can propose. > > > >3. Change should only be pursued if it will result in improvement. Please > > > >list the details of improvements expected as the result of creating a new > > > >organization, as well as the supporting studies. > > > >4. How will APJII handle the transition of management to prevent > > > disruption > > > >of service ? Does APJII have personnels already accustomed to the current > > > >system, or does APJII have a signed agreement from parties > > > involved in the > > > >current management, promising to provide technical expertise during the > > > >transition? > > > > > > > > > > > >As a closing statement, we urge APJII to carefully reconsider between the > > > >benefits and loss of this move, and hopefully will arrive to a solution > > > >which is safer and better to the Internet compared to the one currently > > > >pursued. > > > > > > > >Thank you for your attention and reply. > > > > > > > >Sincerely yours, > > > > > > > >Irwan Effendi > > > >Secretary - Internet Society Indonesian Chapter > > > > > > > > > > > >
