I call for an end to this thread on the basis of dumbitity. Debating whether or not a life devoted to road trips is the basis of a love of America is not only vapid, it belittles the participants in the conversation on all sides.

Michael Moore made a film, it was a good film, I saw it and was entertained. Why are we not talking about the $1.4 billion in personal income Bush and his coalition of the cronies receive annually from the saudis, and whether or not this officially makes them agents of a foreign power? Why are we not talking about that poor mother who was accused of faking her grief after losing her son in the early days of the war? Why are we not talking about the terror campaign launched against our own people in the form of the terror alert system?

People, everyone on this list needs to do a priority check. This is not a conversation worth having, it is exceedingly dumb.

[ Except for Sam Morris - please do not reevaluate your priorities. We are all too busy to listen to the radio and need someone without an opinion of his own to repeat everything Rush Limbaugh says. dittodittodittodittodittodittodittodittodittodittoditto... ]

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Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:--- William H Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> well, Gel is from Trinidad, but that is beside the
> point at the moment.
>
> What Gel is asking is can you dispute the reported
> statistic? Can you
> counter the claim that 60% of 18-25 year olds in the
> survey could not
> point out Great Britain on a map? Can you refute the
> claim that 92% of
> Americans do not posess a passport?
I don't have access to that report. And don't think
the details matter anyway.

As for the passport, European countries are like the
US states. In Europe it's usually only a couple of
hours or less to another country so passports are
common. One can spend a lifetime traveling America.
It's huge. The only places driving distance from the
US is Canada and Mexico. And unless you live on the
border it maybe to far to drive. Going by plane is
usually a big and expensive vacation. You can't just
drive around and look for a cheap motel, you need to
book it in advance. How many Europeans traveled
outside Europe?
So calling people stupid because they didn't make the
effort to go to Europe is kind of elitist don't you
think?

-sm
> Do I think that Americans are stupid? Not
> necessarily. But I do think
> that Moore has a point when he draws that
> conclusion.
>
> And for the record, I (35) can point out Great
> Britain on a map; so can
> my wife (29), my children (10 and 7); and we do
> possess US Passports.
> But then I guess we don't really fall into the
> survey range.
>
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