Have you seen the t-shirt in the form of a ransom note (letters/words cut
from magazines) that says "Hand over the chocolate and no one gets hurt"?

(Just kidding)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 9:07 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Come see the violence inherent in the system!
> 
> 
> And how many people have you beaten up for a candy bar? There 
> are degrees of low impulse control. Personal control such as 
> for a diet is usually lower than public control such as just 
> grabbing something you want. I'm great with the public 
> (wouldn't even use some milk from the work fridge because its 
> not mine) but my private control is a bit shaky. I've sworn 
> off chocolate a number of times to no effect. I've sworn on 
> vegetables just as often but my diet still looks like that of 
> a lion (meat, meat and more meat). 
> A child slowly learns both the personal and public impulse 
> control. Some faster and some slower. Hinda still sometimes 
> grabs toys from Moshe but would never do so to a different 
> child. That shows impulse control (brothers don't count as 
> much :)  ). Her internal schema says that strangers and 
> friends are out of bounds for grabbing, brothers should be 
> out of bounds as well but sometime....
> For a child to attack someone in public really shows a 
> breakdown in their control. 
> 
> At 11:41 AM 2/25/02, you wrote:
> >Interestingly, it was Disney movies that helped our son 
> grasp the concept of
> >reality vs. pretend. We pointed out to him that there was a 
> real boy named
> >Tommy Kirk who pretended to be other children in a number of movies.
> >
> >And ya HAD to mention candy bars 
> >I STILL have "low impulse control" in some areas <sigh>
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 8:40 AM
>> To: CF-Community
>> Subject: RE: Come see the violence inherent in the system!
>> 
>> 
>> True. :)
>> While I am a proud papa and love my kids, I'm not sure that 
>> their taking responsibility for their actions and knowing the 
>> difference between real and pretend is all nurture (or 
>> genetics for that matter). Moshe will come home with a story 
>> and will tell it to us and then say that its all pretend and 
>> didn't happen. He knows the difference. Hinda will sometimes 
>> get upset with herself when she doesn't act right. She knows 
>> that she's not doing the right thing but at the time her 
>> impulses are more powerful than her common sense (like when 
>> she's overtired). That may be the issue here. Rather than the 
>> child not knowing the difference between real and pretend, he 
>> may have low impulse control. This is the 'voice in our head' 
>> that stops us from just grabbing a candy bar when we want it 
>> or beating on 
>> someone when they upset us. Super ego, if you want.

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