I blame Saddam. Dana wrote: > you are sort of misreading. Mind you I probably was not all that clear > -- comes of skimming email and interjecting comments while at work. > Scenario was meant to apply specifically to the invasion of Iraq. > There is no question that we are the cause of the invasion of Iraq. We > did it and nobody had a gun to our heads. > > I think you are reading it to mean the on-going Middle East > everything, and yes, that is a much more complicated question. Mind > you, I do not think there are any wholly innocent parties there > either. > > > > On Jan 28, 2008 6:56 PM, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I really hate to say this but your 1000% wrong. We did not shape this >> scenario. Those who preach and perform violent, terrorist Islam have been >> doing so since before America was their excuse or even existed. To say that >> we're the cause is to ignore history. >> Yes, there is cause for the Arab world to be upset with us but just as much >> so with almost everyone else. We're not new in taking economic advantage >> over the Arab world and those who came before us (including other Arab >> countries) have been far worse than us. We're not new in invading Iraq or >> any other Arab country. Go down the list from their own brothers to the >> Mongols. >> We're just the biggest around and therefore we are the excuse used for the >> terrorists to attack. >> >> Now if I'm misreading you when you say "we shaped the scenario" and you >> don't mean that we're the cause of this deadly hate then please let me know >> how you did intend me to read it. >> >> >> On Jan 28, 2008 5:55 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> lost cause = there is no way to win. Tragic, since we shaped the >>> scenario ourselves, but I do not see any possibility of a happy >>> outcome, and meanwhile bloodshed continues. >>> >>> On Jan 28, 2008 11:12 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> Define lost cause for me Dana. >>>> >>>> >>>> Dana wrote: >>>> >>>>> um... I have never listened to Air America. So I would have to take >>>>> your word for that, though I don't see the relevance. >>>>> >>>>> I don't think the argument ever was that Spain deserved what it got. >>>>> That is just your personal red herring. Here is what I am saying -- an >>>>> anonymous source says there were terrorist threats in Spain. This may >>>>> be possible and may even true. It is even possible that the source is >>>>> right about that. None of this say the government of Spain was wrong >>>>> to recognize a lost cause when it saw one. I personally would have >>>>> preferred that they do it in a way that avoided the attacks being >>>>> linked to their withdrawal, but it's their country. >>>>> >>>>> Shame they don't teach critical thinking is schools any more. For all >>>>> we know Chertoff was having hunches again and this led to the arrest >>>>> of another waiter or two... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 27, 2008 8:43 PM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Liberal conclusions. And I mean that in more than one way. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> I find it interesting that you are quickly redirecting us away from >>>>>> >>> the >>> >>>>>> original indefensible argument about Spain somehow "deserving what >>>>>> >>> they >>> >>>>>> got". I've noticed this pattern before, very often on Air America. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you really think that Spain deserves to be attacked by terrorist >>>>>> group(s) who don't represent any country Spain ever stepped foot >>>>>> >>> into? >>> >>>>>> Dana wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> you did ;) Apparently stuff does apparently eventually sink in. So >>>>>>> there is hope. But, next question, who does Cameron think we are >>>>>>> fighting in Iraq? And why? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 27, 2008 8:05 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < >>>>>>> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> whoa! did I just hear you say Al Qaeda has nothing to do with >>>>>>>> >>> Iraq! :) >>> >>>>>>>> but seriously, didn't the U.S., a third party, rush into Kuwait >>>>>>>> whenever Iraq invaded? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > >
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