The manner in which we take care of our own. Thats it for me.
All those pretty little rights, the limits on government, those are for citizens. What we do in defense of nation is and always has been separated from that, why do you think we have to sign our rights away when we join? Also, this "kid" is sitting in a heated and air conditioned cell, fed three HALAL squares a day, provided his religious text, and time to worship, and not tortured. I don't see how you can continue trying to compare us and them. Dana wrote: > ok. So the difference between the good and the bad guys is what again exactly? > > On 3/2/08, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Thems the breaks, tough shit. >> >> If I am captured I will be tortured, an most likely have my head cut off. >> >> I wouldn't send my son's to do that at 14. >> >> Cry me a river. >> >> Dana wrote: >>> wow. You carry weapons don't you? People do that quite a bit in war zones? >>> >>> I am sorry, but I can't get past the notion that here is a Canadian >>> citizen who has been held incommunicado for five years. And he's what, >>> 18? Now? If he did throw the rock, perhaps he should have been treated >>> as a child soldier. A quick google shows that the solder died (my >>> mistake) but also that the kid was injured, says he was tortured, and >>> has been denied medical care or psychiatric evaluation. >>> >>> http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/329/7474/1066-a?etoc >>> >>> I submit that this kid is a "terrorist" because they want to pressure >>> his family. He's not high-value. His family is. >>> >>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/08/AR2005060802358_pf.html >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> He was caught throwing the rock, after which he admitted to carrying >>>> weapons and killing Americans. >>>> >>>> Not the same thing Dana, tell the rest of the story. >>>> >>>> Dana wrote: >>>>> There is a Canadian teenager who has been in Guantanamo for six years >>>>> for throwing a rock at a soldier in Afghanistan. I don't condone >>>>> throwing rocks at soldiers, but that seems little disproportionate, >>>>> esp since the soldier was not injured. I worry about a system that >>>>> labels children who think they are defending their village as >>>>> terrorists. Turns out his *father* is a key bad guy. Ah. We have >>>>> actually kidnapped a child to pressure a parent. That's better, >>>>> right?? >>>>> >>>>> Also, there are a multitude of stories about waiters being detained >>>>> because they served lunch to an al-Qaeda fighter, taxi drivers being >>>>> tortured to death at Bagram, and lawyers being detained for months in >>>>> error. If even one of these stories is true, that is a problem. >>>>> >>>>> You're trusting the government again. >>>>> >>>>> On 2/29/08, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> Again the only people that I see whose civil liberties are being >>>>>> violated are the ones who are doing something wrong, and at that point >>>>>> you forfeit these liberties. I believe that the intent of this whole >>>>>> thing is to speed up the investigative process and not mire it up >>>>>> waiting for some judge or grand jury issue a subpoena. And let's not >>>>>> forget that there are leaks all throughout the government, so again if >>>>>> you run it through legal channels, you risk the perpetrators being >>>>>> notified. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dana wrote: >>>>>>> I don't know the book, but answers like this scare the hell out of >>>>>>> *me*... why is it that people who are in favor of de-funding the >>>>>>> government also favor turning our civil liberties over to its tender >>>>>>> mercies >>> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:255310 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
