Well *he* says he's been tortured. And I am not sure that the fact that we are feeding him makes up for keeping him in a cage and refusing to provide him with medical attention. This is a Canadian, not someone who was in danger of starving to death, tho I am not sure the argument holds even then.
Update to the case by the way -- he just now had a hearing that determined he was an enemy combatant -- fair enough, seems to be true based in the info we have. However -- wait for it -- he was not an *unlawful* enemy combatant, so the tribunal at Guantanamo can't try him. So he goes back into limbo for another few years? On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:00 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The manner in which we take care of our own. > > Thats it for me. > > All those pretty little rights, the limits on government, those are for > citizens. > > What we do in defense of nation is and always has been separated from > that, why do you think we have to sign our rights away when we join? > > Also, this "kid" is sitting in a heated and air conditioned cell, fed > three HALAL squares a day, provided his religious text, and time to > worship, and not tortured. > > I don't see how you can continue trying to compare us and them. > > > Dana wrote: > > ok. So the difference between the good and the bad guys is what again > > exactly? > > > > On 3/2/08, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Thems the breaks, tough shit. > >> > >> If I am captured I will be tortured, an most likely have my head cut off. > >> > >> I wouldn't send my son's to do that at 14. > >> > >> Cry me a river. > >> > >> Dana wrote: > >>> wow. You carry weapons don't you? People do that quite a bit in war zones? > >>> > >>> I am sorry, but I can't get past the notion that here is a Canadian > >>> citizen who has been held incommunicado for five years. And he's what, > >>> 18? Now? If he did throw the rock, perhaps he should have been treated > >>> as a child soldier. A quick google shows that the solder died (my > >>> mistake) but also that the kid was injured, says he was tortured, and > >>> has been denied medical care or psychiatric evaluation. > >>> > >>> http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/329/7474/1066-a?etoc > >>> > >>> I submit that this kid is a "terrorist" because they want to pressure > >>> his family. He's not high-value. His family is. > >>> > >>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/08/AR2005060802358_pf.html > >>> > >>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> He was caught throwing the rock, after which he admitted to carrying > >>>> weapons and killing Americans. > >>>> > >>>> Not the same thing Dana, tell the rest of the story. > >>>> > >>>> Dana wrote: > >>>>> There is a Canadian teenager who has been in Guantanamo for six years > >>>>> for throwing a rock at a soldier in Afghanistan. I don't condone > >>>>> throwing rocks at soldiers, but that seems little disproportionate, > >>>>> esp since the soldier was not injured. I worry about a system that > >>>>> labels children who think they are defending their village as > >>>>> terrorists. Turns out his *father* is a key bad guy. Ah. We have > >>>>> actually kidnapped a child to pressure a parent. That's better, > >>>>> right?? > >>>>> > >>>>> Also, there are a multitude of stories about waiters being detained > >>>>> because they served lunch to an al-Qaeda fighter, taxi drivers being > >>>>> tortured to death at Bagram, and lawyers being detained for months in > >>>>> error. If even one of these stories is true, that is a problem. > >>>>> > >>>>> You're trusting the government again. > >>>>> > >>>>> On 2/29/08, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>> Again the only people that I see whose civil liberties are being > >>>>>> violated are the ones who are doing something wrong, and at that point > >>>>>> you forfeit these liberties. I believe that the intent of this whole > >>>>>> thing is to speed up the investigative process and not mire it up > >>>>>> waiting for some judge or grand jury issue a subpoena. And let's not > >>>>>> forget that there are leaks all throughout the government, so again if > >>>>>> you run it through legal channels, you risk the perpetrators being > >>>>>> notified. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dana wrote: > >>>>>>> I don't know the book, but answers like this scare the hell out of > >>>>>>> *me*... why is it that people who are in favor of de-funding the > >>>>>>> government also favor turning our civil liberties over to its tender > >>>>>>> mercies > >>> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:255315 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
