Remember we're fighting a counter insurgency war, its the perception that's key 
here.  It doesn't matter if Abu Garab was an isolated incident or part of a 
planned systematic effort. Its how the propagandists present the incidents. 
That's one area where we're losing and badly.

Also you're mixed up about Chechnya and Kosovo. We (as in NATO) are protecting 
the muslim Kosevar Abanians from the Orthodox Christian Serbians. Chechnya 
involved the Russians. Last I checked they're not a part of the US or NATO.

>Ok, whats with the white thing?
>
>There are plenty of non-white citizens in the U.S., why turn this into a 
>race thing when it isn't.  Iranians are white, Chechen's, Kosovars, all 
>of whom have been caught fighting against us, and received the same 
>treatment.
>
>Civilian court decisions in the US have little or nothing to do with the 
>decisions of courts martial and you know this man.  I've already laid 
>out why he doesn't fall under Geneva protections, especially as he isn't 
>an Afghani.
>
>I don't know about the Canadian gov'ts investigation and would like to 
>read up on it.  Sources?
>
>CIA != U.S. military for one.
>
>Also, Abu Garab?  Really, so making dudes get in a naked pile is 
>equivalent to taking a hammer to their hands, or a drill to their body? 
>  Cutting, burning and decapitating them?  I'm torn about water 
>boarding, and it's this mailing list that made me so.  I don't know what 
>to think about it, and I am glad I'm not an interrogator or an 
>interpretor so I don't have to make that call.
>
>I agree about rendition, and I said so in this tread. I have problems 
>with it.  We shouldn't be transferring prisoners to third party 
>governments, unless it's through a lawful extradition.
>
>Larry Lyons wrote:
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