Yep, except for you can't do it to Americans, it would be a constitutional violation.
Dana wrote: > I love you too. > > Seriously tho, isn't that the logic? guantanamo is ok because the > people there titare illegal combattants and therefore not entitled to > prisoner of war status? I could swear I remember you saying that. If I > have misunderstood the position please explain. > > > On /22/08, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> combatant != prisoner of war >> >> You should move, seriously. We don't want you. We have enough loonies >> that belong here. >> >> Dana wrote: >>> i have been trying to stay out of this because really, I don't have >>> time. However let me try one more time... >>> >>> >>>> I spent two years working with former Soviet states on energy programs and >>>> I >>>> often used former Russian defectors as interpreters. >>> And what did you learn from this? You're defending the right of the >>> governement to just come take you away, my friend. Really, you are. >>> Because if it is ok to do this to terrorists... you need to check out >>> the definition of terrorist. >>> >>>> In some rosy past when we were nice little American boys and girls? That's >>>> a >>>> fairy tale. >>> and yet it is still true according to you below. You aren't making sense. >>> >>>>> We had a stance like "you can torture us, but we will not torture >>>>> you"-- we WILL NOT SINK TO THAT LEVEL. >>>>> >>>> We still do. The perpetrators of Abu Ghraib have been tried and convicted. >>>> The CIA secret jails thing has been hashed out in public and in Congress. >>>> The waterboarding thing has been all over the news forever. >>> The perpetrators of Abu Ghraib :) ha. A few soldiers who followed >>> orders were sacrificed like pawns. The secret jails, the >>> extraordinary renditions, the black flights have *not* been hashed >>> out. You've still never heard of Maher Arar and there is still a >>> fifteen year old boy at Guantanamo being held without legal >>> representation because of who his family knows. >>> >>>> I'm implying no such thing. I'm suggesting that at the highest >>>>> levels, the "definition" of torture is being tested. >>>>> >>>> That is why we have an indepedent judiciary, to provide clarity on the >>>> limits of Executive and Legislative power. >>> Yes and the Executive says it does not want to be reviewed by the >>> judiciary. DId you sleep through the whole FISA thing? >>> >>>> If you believe that then you obviously haven't studied Constitutional >>>> history. People are people, they do good and bad. Our structure of >>>> government is designed to contain the damage that can be done by any single >>>> branch of government, precisely because the Founders expected each branch >>>> of >>>> government to push the envelope. >>> Yes but the Constitution you think protects us is being blatantly >>> disregarded. >>> >>>> I don't support it. I support specific measures that are finite in scope >>>> and >>>> duration to combat terrorism. As I noted in another thread, this business >>>> of >>>> using the Patriot Act to nail Spitzer for prostitution is no good, and the >>>> rules need to be changed. >>> But see, that's just it. SInce anyone can be a terrorist -- you really >>> need to check out that definition --- all those measures apply to >>> *everyone.* And a measure that is for the duration of the war on >>> terror might as well be eternal. >>> >>>> They don't have uniforms, but they definitely are combatants. Why don't you >>>> ask one of the soldiers on the list if they think they guys shooting at >>>> them >>>> in Iraq and Afghanistan weren't combatants? >>> But they aren't. You really haven't been paying attention, have you. >>> They are not combattants and therefore the Geneva Convention is quaint >>> and and they can be locked up as long as the administratoin pleases. >>> If you don't believe me just ask Alberto Gonzales. >>> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:257182 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
