On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 1:07 AM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > that's not quite what he said. He said that if the sound bytes Fox > News is playing were alll there was to the story, he probably would > have left that church. I watched that speech carefully several times > then showed it to a couple of other people.
Why trust fox? There are videos from the church, writings from the church and other resources to see if the sound bytes are correct or not. As for leaving the church, would that be for the statements he heard or didn't hear? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html "The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation." http://www.drudgereport.com/flashos.htm "Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes." > I am a Catholic who does not believe that the pope is the voice of > God, and who was horrified at the suggestion that a politician who was > not rabidly anti-abortion should be denied the sacraments. In some > pple's eyes that makes me not a Catholic and that's fine. But the > sense of the sacred that I learned in the Catholic church is important > to me noetheless so actually I think he was expressing a complicated > and siincere sentiment, and was very brave to make a speech that was > geared to the thoughtful people in the country. It's definitely not > the usual political script. We're looking at it from two different angles. Admitidly, I look at any politician and ask what he's trying to sell me. What is the message hes trying to put forward and what do the words hide. He may have gotten up to respond to the controversy but the words and examples he used made me wary of him more. "*occasionally fierce critic" is a really nice way of blunting someone who says things like God damn Amererica and expouses some of the most insane and divisive conspiracy theories around.* There are a lot of ways to use words to tone down things and move focus to something else. His speech seemed to me to use many of those techniques. > > > And you know what? If George Bush came out and said you know what > folks we need to work together to solve our problems -- and I thought > he was sincere -- I'd sign up tomorrow. That is Obama's saving grace in my eyes. He gets people emotional about the process. He gets people wanting to change the country. I respect the effect he has on people even if I hold him personally to be suspect. The good thing is that if he wins and sucks at the job then we only have him for 4 years. If we can survive Bush, we can survive any mistake Obama can make. And to bring it directly to my own personal experience, New Yorkers thought Dinkins would be the second coming and he was so bad we almost begged Giuliani to be mayor. Yes, Democrat central NY wanted a Republican to be mayor over a Democrat. That's how bad it was. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:257251 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
