On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "I never thought Obama would be different in /that/ way.  And a lot of 'us'
> on the list thought the same, as has been evidenced through commentary."
>
> I didn't mean everybody.  I know some people are smart enough to distrust
> any politician.

Said another way that's trusting them to be dishonest.  Semantics?  :)

If belief in something gives it power, it's too bad we don't believe
in honest politicians.

> "I never *wanted* Bush to suck nuts.  Wishing the President to do a bad job
> is just fucking insane.  Doing that while laughing at idealists seems like
> bad karma, IMHO."
>
> Me either.  I had low expectations though and he failed to meet them.  The
> only two things he did well in my opinion were his supreme court picks and
> he almost screwed one of those up.

That Hightower guy seemed pretty pissed with the supreme court.  :)

> I didn't want Obama to be ultra left wing either.  I was hoping for a more
> moderate president who actually did believe in cooperation instead of saying
> he believes in cooperation.  Oh well, politics as usual.

I wouldn't portray Obama as being ultra left wing, though.  He seems
sorta middle of the road, maybe compromising too much.

Which is another thing that is in stark contrast to the previous administration.

In politics, I prefer "compromise" over "my way or the highway".  I
think.  Who likes anything about politics? ;]

> "Maybe instead of laughing, we should encourage the empowerment of the
> people we are witness to.  Encourage continued involvement.  Apathy is so
> damn easy."
>
> Sounds like the Tea Parties to me.

Sounds like Populism, which was going strong long before the Tea
Parties, I recently learned.  ;)

And why weren't there Tea Parties when the *cough*illegal*cough*
wiretapping and crap was going down?  That's when we should have been
in the streets with torches.

Now it's like "Government health care?!?!  Screw that noise!  TIME FOR
A REVOLUTION, MAN!".

> By the way, speaking of apathy, here is one of my favorite lines about it:
>
> Question:  Which is worse, ignorance or apathy?
> Answer:  I don't know and I don't care.

LOL!

> "The stuff I did expect to change, did.  I can't believe we walked down that
> dark road for 8 years!  This administration is *way* more communicative than
> the last one.  That's a (if not the) major change I 'hoped' for"
>
> You really think this admin is more communicative and open or better at
> controlling communication?  Reporters will tell you that this White House is
> less communicative than any White House they have worked with, including
> Bush II. Read this <http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/36454.html> if
> you want see what the difference is.
>
> Here's another example, using the ultra-conservative Helen Thomas:
>
> Following a testy exchange during Wednesday’s briefing with White House
> Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, veteran White House correspondent Helen Thomas
> told CNSNews.com that not even Richard Nixon tried to control the press the
> way President Obama is trying to control the press.
>
> “Nixon didn’t try to do that,” Thomas said. “They couldn’t control (the
> media). They didn’t try.
>
> “What the hell do they think we are, puppets?” Thomas said. “They’re
> supposed to stay out of our business. They are our public servants. We pay
> them.”

I don't think they're getting away with it like the last
administration seemed to.  Where Bush and them seemed to just sorta
say flatly, "no", this one tries to go "we not really, I, man, it's
national security, yeah!"... fail.  Public knowledge.  :)p

And that's the cynical bit in me.  I'm no reporter, but a few people
on the list have commented how they hope the next admin keeps up in
the direction of transparency this one's been going.  I agree, but
maybe I've just been "spun", so to speak.  =)

> "If we don't believe in the idea, there's nothing to shoot for."
>
> The idea of the US was beautiful.  Unfortunately, it has been distorted,
> morphed, and stretched way out of shape.  I am not sure the original idea
> can be saved.  But, this always happens.  Every country morphs and changes
> until it is overrun finally absorbed b

Bullshit.  America is God Damn Beautiful.  We're not every country,
and tomorrow is a new day.  =)

Universal health care is un-american?

After what went down with the last administration, *this* [insert
incredulous expression] is the "our government is out of control"
moment?!?

I mean, don't get me wrong, we are like, the check on the power of our
government, so whenever is clever... but *now*?  Over /this/?

It makes me want to be like, "You posers!".  :))

Heh.  Really tho, *go for it*.  Monitor the hell out of our
government!  Give 'em hell!

I might wish that certain things got everyone's attention a little
more, but whatever is clever.  Cynicize away!  |)

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