There is plenty of other areas that they have and given that they would have
more information already, it would give them greater access to our
information.  While I don't know of any specific examples, I am sure they
exist.  For someone that believes in a smaller government, you sure seem to
like bigger government.

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 08:32 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election


You should take your own advice about reading before opening your mouth
Eric.

I asked for documented proof of the government spying on people because they
have a state issued ID and you replied with a statement about the 'illegal
domestic wiretaps'.

Scroll down...you will see it.

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Eric Roberts
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Who said because of having an id?  I sure didn't.  I said there was a 
> history of government spying on the people.  Please read before 
> opening mouth Scott.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:08 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
>
>
> I fail to see how that is government spying on people becasue they 
> have a state issued ID. Try again.
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Eric Roberts 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> You don’t remember the illegal domestic wiretaps under the Bush 
>> administration that Obama has continued?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:10 AM
>> To: cf-community
>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
>>
>>
>> What recent history?
>>
>> Please show me one documented case where the gov't 'spied' on someone 
>> becasue they had a state issued ID.
>>
>> On the flip side: How it paranoia to want to verify someone is who 
>> they claim to be when they are casting a vote (arguably the single 
>> most important thing we, as citizens, can do)?
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Eric Roberts 
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is it paranoid when recent history supports that?  There has been 
>>> more government interference into our lives...more illegal 
>>> intrusions into our privacy ever since Bush took office than during 
>>> any time in our
>> history.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]]
>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 09:56 AM
>>> To: cf-community
>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
>>>
>>>
>>> Hrm...what is more paranoid? Wanting to require people show ID in 
>>> order to vote, or thinking that having an ID means the government 
>>> can spy
>> on you?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Gruss Gott <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jerry Barnes <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "A conservative would argue for AT LEAST state's rights in this 
>>>>> case because, at the end of the day, it's about being true to
> principles."
>>>>>
>>>>> It's strictly a state's rights issue right now.  That is why all 
>>>>> of the laws differ from each other.  That is not to say that one 
>>>>> day it will not become a federal issue.  I hope not.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Exactly, and many states (and their citizens) are concerned about 
>>>> the "slippery slope" when it comes to, say, the Census and/or 
>>>> registering your guns.  However most people agree with public birth 
>>>> records (as well as marriage, residence of citizenship, etc).
>>>>
>>>> Thus states, countries, and cities should have a good record of who 
>>>> is possibly a voter.
>>>>
>>>> If you walk into a polling place to vote and claim to be Jerry 
>>>> Born-in-Barnesville they should be able to easily look you up.  
>>>> And, just to ensure you're not trying to impersonate Jerry, they 
>>>> might ask you for a recent energy or phone bill, the assumption 
>>>> being that they know you were both there and you'd really have to 
>>>> be special to trying to pull a fast one.  They might even ask you 
>>>> to have a neighbor or 2 vouche for you in case you don't have such
bill.
>>>>
>>>> But requiring an ID would therefore be unnecessary, punitive, and 
>>>> generally paranoid to the point of delusi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> 



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