ya. Preliminary google seems to indicate there's more to the story, but I really don't have the time to run it down, esp when nobody is going to change their mind anyway.
Just for a start: looks like some of the Wisconsin "fraud" was students having the temerity to register to vote. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > You mean like the links Jerry posted that seem to debunk the belief > that requiring ID in order to vote does not 'disenfranchise' voters? > > On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Eric >> >> I know you may not have seen much of me before but I have dealt with >> these guys for years. >> >> I think it's important to speak up every so often but you are not >> going to change anyone's mind here. You are wasting your breath. You >> can go find the links that debunk everyone of their examples and they >> will still maintain that foreigners are voting for some reason. People >> tell them this and they believe it. It plays into their xenophobia and >> conformity, and gives them an "other" to fear. Try talking Diebold to >> them just for fun, or caging, or spoiled ballots. They just can't hear >> it somehow and even if you get one of them to acknowledge a given set >> of facts, it will have vanished from memory by morning. >> >> I suggested you that you take the energy you are wasting here to >> rebuildthedream.com, where it possibly might do some good. >> >> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Eric Roberts >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> There is plenty of other areas that they have and given that they would have >>> more information already, it would give them greater access to our >>> information. While I don't know of any specific examples, I am sure they >>> exist. For someone that believes in a smaller government, you sure seem to >>> like bigger government. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 08:32 AM >>> To: cf-community >>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election >>> >>> >>> You should take your own advice about reading before opening your mouth >>> Eric. >>> >>> I asked for documented proof of the government spying on people because they >>> have a state issued ID and you replied with a statement about the 'illegal >>> domestic wiretaps'. >>> >>> Scroll down...you will see it. >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Eric Roberts >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Who said because of having an id? I sure didn't. I said there was a >>>> history of government spying on the people. Please read before >>>> opening mouth Scott. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:08 PM >>>> To: cf-community >>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election >>>> >>>> >>>> I fail to see how that is government spying on people becasue they >>>> have a state issued ID. Try again. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Eric Roberts >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You dont remember the illegal domestic wiretaps under the Bush >>>>> administration that Obama has continued? >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:10 AM >>>>> To: cf-community >>>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What recent history? >>>>> >>>>> Please show me one documented case where the gov't 'spied' on someone >>>>> becasue they had a state issued ID. >>>>> >>>>> On the flip side: How it paranoia to want to verify someone is who >>>>> they claim to be when they are casting a vote (arguably the single >>>>> most important thing we, as citizens, can do)? >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Eric Roberts >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it paranoid when recent history supports that? There has been >>>>>> more government interference into our lives...more illegal >>>>>> intrusions into our privacy ever since Bush took office than during >>>>>> any time in our >>>>> history. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 09:56 AM >>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hrm...what is more paranoid? Wanting to require people show ID in >>>>>> order to vote, or thinking that having an ID means the government >>>>>> can spy >>>>> on you? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Gruss Gott <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jerry Barnes <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "A conservative would argue for AT LEAST state's rights in this >>>>>>>> case because, at the end of the day, it's about being true to >>>> principles." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's strictly a state's rights issue right now. That is why all >>>>>>>> of the laws differ from each other. That is not to say that one >>>>>>>> day it will not become a federal issue. I hope not. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Exactly, and many states (and their citizens) are concerned about >>>>>>> the "slippery slope" when it comes to, say, the Census and/or >>>>>>> registering your guns. However most people agree with public birth >>>>>>> records (as well as marriage, residence of citizenship, etc). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thus states, countries, and cities should have a good record of who >>>>>>> is possibly a voter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you walk into a polling place to vote and claim to be Jerry >>>>>>> Born-in-Barnesville they should be able to easily look you up. >>>>>>> And, just to ensure you're not trying to impersonate Jerry, they >>>>>>> might ask you for a recent energy or phone bill, the assumption >>>>>>> being that they know you were both there and you'd really have to >>>>>>> be special to trying to pull a fast one. They might even ask you >>>>>>> to have a neighbor or 2 vouche for you in case you don't have such >>> bill. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But requiring an ID would therefore be unnecessary, punitive, and >>>>>>> generally paranoid to the point of delusi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:339444 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
