I think you may be looking at the wrong link. The links I am referring
to discussed voter turnout in GA and IN after they enacted laws
requiring ID in order to vote.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123327839569631609.html

On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> ya. Preliminary google seems to indicate there's more to the story,
> but I really don't have the time to run it down, esp when nobody is
> going to change their mind anyway.
>
> Just for a start: looks like some of the Wisconsin "fraud" was
> students having the temerity to register to vote.
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> You mean like the links Jerry posted that seem to debunk the belief
>> that requiring ID in order to vote does not 'disenfranchise' voters?
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> I know you may not have seen much of me before but I have dealt with
>>> these guys for years.
>>>
>>> I think it's important to speak up every so often but you are not
>>> going to change anyone's mind here. You are wasting your breath. You
>>> can go find the links that debunk everyone of their examples and they
>>> will still maintain that foreigners are voting for some reason. People
>>> tell them this and they believe it. It plays into their xenophobia and
>>> conformity, and gives them an "other" to fear. Try talking Diebold to
>>> them just for fun, or caging, or spoiled ballots. They just can't hear
>>> it somehow and even if you get one of them to acknowledge a given set
>>> of facts, it will have vanished from memory by morning.
>>>
>>> I suggested you that you take the energy you are wasting here to
>>> rebuildthedream.com, where it possibly might do some good.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Eric Roberts
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There is plenty of other areas that they have and given that they would 
>>>> have
>>>> more information already, it would give them greater access to our
>>>> information.  While I don't know of any specific examples, I am sure they
>>>> exist.  For someone that believes in a smaller government, you sure seem to
>>>> like bigger government.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]]
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 08:32 AM
>>>> To: cf-community
>>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You should take your own advice about reading before opening your mouth
>>>> Eric.
>>>>
>>>> I asked for documented proof of the government spying on people because 
>>>> they
>>>> have a state issued ID and you replied with a statement about the 'illegal
>>>> domestic wiretaps'.
>>>>
>>>> Scroll down...you will see it.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Eric Roberts
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Who said because of having an id?  I sure didn't.  I said there was a
>>>>> history of government spying on the people.  Please read before
>>>>> opening mouth Scott.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:08 PM
>>>>> To: cf-community
>>>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I fail to see how that is government spying on people becasue they
>>>>> have a state issued ID. Try again.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Eric Roberts
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don’t remember the illegal domestic wiretaps under the Bush
>>>>>> administration that Obama has continued?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]]
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:10 AM
>>>>>> To: cf-community
>>>>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What recent history?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please show me one documented case where the gov't 'spied' on someone
>>>>>> becasue they had a state issued ID.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the flip side: How it paranoia to want to verify someone is who
>>>>>> they claim to be when they are casting a vote (arguably the single
>>>>>> most important thing we, as citizens, can do)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Eric Roberts
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it paranoid when recent history supports that?  There has been
>>>>>>> more government interference into our lives...more illegal
>>>>>>> intrusions into our privacy ever since Bush took office than during
>>>>>>> any time in our
>>>>>> history.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]]
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 09:56 AM
>>>>>>> To: cf-community
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hrm...what is more paranoid? Wanting to require people show ID in
>>>>>>> order to vote, or thinking that having an ID means the government
>>>>>>> can spy
>>>>>> on you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Gruss Gott <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jerry Barnes <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "A conservative would argue for AT LEAST state's rights in this
>>>>>>>>> case because, at the end of the day, it's about being true to
>>>>> principles."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's strictly a state's rights issue right now.  That is why all
>>>>>>>>> of the laws differ from each other.  That is not to say that one
>>>>>>>>> day it will not become a federal issue.  I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Exactly, and many states (and their citizens) are concerned about
>>>>>>>> the "slippery slope" when it comes to, say, the Census and/or
>>>>>>>> registering your guns.  However most people agree with public birth
>>>>>>>> records (as well as marriage, residence of citizenship, etc).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thus states, countries, and cities should have a good record of who
>>>>>>>> is possibly a voter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you walk into a polling place to vote and claim to be Jerry
>>>>>>>> Born-in-Barnesville they should be able to easily look you up.
>>>>>>>> And, just to ensure you're not trying to impersonate Jerry, they
>>>>>>>> might ask you for a recent energy or phone bill, the assumption
>>>>>>>> being that they know you were both there and you'd really have to
>>>>>>>> be special to trying to pull a fast one.  They might even ask you
>>>>>>>> to have a neighbor or 2 vouche for you in case you don't have such
>>>> bill.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But requiring an ID would therefore be unnecessary, punitive, and
>>>>>>>> generally paranoid to the point of delusi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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