I think you may be looking at the wrong link. The links I am referring to discussed voter turnout in GA and IN after they enacted laws requiring ID in order to vote.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123327839569631609.html On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: > > ya. Preliminary google seems to indicate there's more to the story, > but I really don't have the time to run it down, esp when nobody is > going to change their mind anyway. > > Just for a start: looks like some of the Wisconsin "fraud" was > students having the temerity to register to vote. > > > On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> You mean like the links Jerry posted that seem to debunk the belief >> that requiring ID in order to vote does not 'disenfranchise' voters? >> >> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> I know you may not have seen much of me before but I have dealt with >>> these guys for years. >>> >>> I think it's important to speak up every so often but you are not >>> going to change anyone's mind here. You are wasting your breath. You >>> can go find the links that debunk everyone of their examples and they >>> will still maintain that foreigners are voting for some reason. People >>> tell them this and they believe it. It plays into their xenophobia and >>> conformity, and gives them an "other" to fear. Try talking Diebold to >>> them just for fun, or caging, or spoiled ballots. They just can't hear >>> it somehow and even if you get one of them to acknowledge a given set >>> of facts, it will have vanished from memory by morning. >>> >>> I suggested you that you take the energy you are wasting here to >>> rebuildthedream.com, where it possibly might do some good. >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Eric Roberts >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> There is plenty of other areas that they have and given that they would >>>> have >>>> more information already, it would give them greater access to our >>>> information. While I don't know of any specific examples, I am sure they >>>> exist. For someone that believes in a smaller government, you sure seem to >>>> like bigger government. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 08:32 AM >>>> To: cf-community >>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election >>>> >>>> >>>> You should take your own advice about reading before opening your mouth >>>> Eric. >>>> >>>> I asked for documented proof of the government spying on people because >>>> they >>>> have a state issued ID and you replied with a statement about the 'illegal >>>> domestic wiretaps'. >>>> >>>> Scroll down...you will see it. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Eric Roberts >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Who said because of having an id? I sure didn't. I said there was a >>>>> history of government spying on the people. Please read before >>>>> opening mouth Scott. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:08 PM >>>>> To: cf-community >>>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I fail to see how that is government spying on people becasue they >>>>> have a state issued ID. Try again. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Eric Roberts >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> You dont remember the illegal domestic wiretaps under the Bush >>>>>> administration that Obama has continued? >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:10 AM >>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What recent history? >>>>>> >>>>>> Please show me one documented case where the gov't 'spied' on someone >>>>>> becasue they had a state issued ID. >>>>>> >>>>>> On the flip side: How it paranoia to want to verify someone is who >>>>>> they claim to be when they are casting a vote (arguably the single >>>>>> most important thing we, as citizens, can do)? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Eric Roberts >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is it paranoid when recent history supports that? There has been >>>>>>> more government interference into our lives...more illegal >>>>>>> intrusions into our privacy ever since Bush took office than during >>>>>>> any time in our >>>>>> history. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 09:56 AM >>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hrm...what is more paranoid? Wanting to require people show ID in >>>>>>> order to vote, or thinking that having an ID means the government >>>>>>> can spy >>>>>> on you? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Gruss Gott <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jerry Barnes <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "A conservative would argue for AT LEAST state's rights in this >>>>>>>>> case because, at the end of the day, it's about being true to >>>>> principles." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's strictly a state's rights issue right now. That is why all >>>>>>>>> of the laws differ from each other. That is not to say that one >>>>>>>>> day it will not become a federal issue. I hope not. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Exactly, and many states (and their citizens) are concerned about >>>>>>>> the "slippery slope" when it comes to, say, the Census and/or >>>>>>>> registering your guns. However most people agree with public birth >>>>>>>> records (as well as marriage, residence of citizenship, etc). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thus states, countries, and cities should have a good record of who >>>>>>>> is possibly a voter. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you walk into a polling place to vote and claim to be Jerry >>>>>>>> Born-in-Barnesville they should be able to easily look you up. >>>>>>>> And, just to ensure you're not trying to impersonate Jerry, they >>>>>>>> might ask you for a recent energy or phone bill, the assumption >>>>>>>> being that they know you were both there and you'd really have to >>>>>>>> be special to trying to pull a fast one. They might even ask you >>>>>>>> to have a neighbor or 2 vouche for you in case you don't have such >>>> bill. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But requiring an ID would therefore be unnecessary, punitive, and >>>>>>>> generally paranoid to the point of delusi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:339445 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
