No, I read this. But you're right, this isn't Wisconsin; must have been a different link. There was however something I did not like about this one too. Hmm. I can't do this right now.
If we can have a civil discussion about it I might be able to get back to this on Monday. As it is right now, deadline is getting closer, no work getting done. Later. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think you may be looking at the wrong link. The links I am referring > to discussed voter turnout in GA and IN after they enacted laws > requiring ID in order to vote. > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123327839569631609.html > > On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> ya. Preliminary google seems to indicate there's more to the story, >> but I really don't have the time to run it down, esp when nobody is >> going to change their mind anyway. >> >> Just for a start: looks like some of the Wisconsin "fraud" was >> students having the temerity to register to vote. >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> You mean like the links Jerry posted that seem to debunk the belief >>> that requiring ID in order to vote does not 'disenfranchise' voters? >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> I know you may not have seen much of me before but I have dealt with >>>> these guys for years. >>>> >>>> I think it's important to speak up every so often but you are not >>>> going to change anyone's mind here. You are wasting your breath. You >>>> can go find the links that debunk everyone of their examples and they >>>> will still maintain that foreigners are voting for some reason. People >>>> tell them this and they believe it. It plays into their xenophobia and >>>> conformity, and gives them an "other" to fear. Try talking Diebold to >>>> them just for fun, or caging, or spoiled ballots. They just can't hear >>>> it somehow and even if you get one of them to acknowledge a given set >>>> of facts, it will have vanished from memory by morning. >>>> >>>> I suggested you that you take the energy you are wasting here to >>>> rebuildthedream.com, where it possibly might do some good. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Eric Roberts >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> There is plenty of other areas that they have and given that they would >>>>> have >>>>> more information already, it would give them greater access to our >>>>> information. While I don't know of any specific examples, I am sure they >>>>> exist. For someone that believes in a smaller government, you sure seem >>>>> to >>>>> like bigger government. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 08:32 AM >>>>> To: cf-community >>>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You should take your own advice about reading before opening your mouth >>>>> Eric. >>>>> >>>>> I asked for documented proof of the government spying on people because >>>>> they >>>>> have a state issued ID and you replied with a statement about the 'illegal >>>>> domestic wiretaps'. >>>>> >>>>> Scroll down...you will see it. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Eric Roberts >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Who said because of having an id? I sure didn't. I said there was a >>>>>> history of government spying on the people. Please read before >>>>>> opening mouth Scott. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:08 PM >>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I fail to see how that is government spying on people becasue they >>>>>> have a state issued ID. Try again. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Eric Roberts >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You dont remember the illegal domestic wiretaps under the Bush >>>>>>> administration that Obama has continued? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:10 AM >>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What recent history? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please show me one documented case where the gov't 'spied' on someone >>>>>>> becasue they had a state issued ID. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On the flip side: How it paranoia to want to verify someone is who >>>>>>> they claim to be when they are casting a vote (arguably the single >>>>>>> most important thing we, as citizens, can do)? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Eric Roberts >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is it paranoid when recent history supports that? There has been >>>>>>>> more government interference into our lives...more illegal >>>>>>>> intrusions into our privacy ever since Bush took office than during >>>>>>>> any time in our >>>>>>> history. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 09:56 AM >>>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hrm...what is more paranoid? Wanting to require people show ID in >>>>>>>> order to vote, or thinking that having an ID means the government >>>>>>>> can spy >>>>>>> on you? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Gruss Gott <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jerry Barnes <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "A conservative would argue for AT LEAST state's rights in this >>>>>>>>>> case because, at the end of the day, it's about being true to >>>>>> principles." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's strictly a state's rights issue right now. That is why all >>>>>>>>>> of the laws differ from each other. That is not to say that one >>>>>>>>>> day it will not become a federal issue. I hope not. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Exactly, and many states (and their citizens) are concerned about >>>>>>>>> the "slippery slope" when it comes to, say, the Census and/or >>>>>>>>> registering your guns. However most people agree with public birth >>>>>>>>> records (as well as marriage, residence of citizenship, etc). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thus states, countries, and cities should have a good record of who >>>>>>>>> is possibly a voter. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you walk into a polling place to vote and claim to be Jerry >>>>>>>>> Born-in-Barnesville they should be able to easily look you up. >>>>>>>>> And, just to ensure you're not trying to impersonate Jerry, they >>>>>>>>> might ask you for a recent energy or phone bill, the assumption >>>>>>>>> being that they know you were both there and you'd really have to >>>>>>>>> be special to trying to pull a fast one. They might even ask you >>>>>>>>> to have a neighbor or 2 vouche for you in case you don't have such >>>>> bill. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But requiring an ID would therefore be unnecessary, punitive, and >>>>>>>>> generally paranoid to the point of delusi >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:339448 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
